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Thank you. Okay, I will start sharing. Hello.

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Hi everyone. I cannot see anyone but you so I guess, there are. Some people listening but I will start sharing now.

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You will tell me how long do I have? How many minutes? 10Â min?

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Yes, yep, I can give you, I can. I'll stay over here. I can give you like a 2Â min warning when it's But it's time.

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Okay, but it's 10Â min. No. Okay, thank you.

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15Â min.

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So.

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Let me know. I made my PowerPoint a bilingual just in case. So this is about, Qatar season politics, art and culture movements responding to climate crisis.

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This work refers to my personal experience with a movement for, with artists. A called Area.

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So, what, this is hard to illustrate. In the place of South America. In global.

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Distribution of resources. That's to start with some. Nice to see you much. So no.

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Okay. So if there are just many speakers in the room, I'm seeing in the chat. You there have Spanish and English Bernadette, and, She'll say, So you're a sociologist from One.

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When I work at the And you're still, And, So climate crisis, how to deal with the emotional dynamics around climate anxiety.

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This session was all around this issue. And I wanted to share this experience, er, of this. Movement that was born with the pandemics.

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In to illustrate, what happened. To the artists that had nothing to do with the environmental issue.

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But that felt, complied to do something and participate and as we will see. Getting involved.

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So the question is how do we, foster these experiences of hope? Against a fear and against being frozen in interactions.

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In spite of, knowing that our actions are really, small. This is one of the key questions of this movement.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Di, a Bonnie. But, I'm is the Okay, So, there's, this urgent need.

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That people start feeling. To participate and to be part of this to get together. This movements linked to art No only ask about what to do with the knowledge they have with the art they know.

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In the public sphere but they value the getting together and getting to know people that are worried about the same issues.

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Then. The particular characteristics of this group is that they come from different backgrounds They generally identify themselves as being middle class.

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Not specifically linked to environmental problems as I said. And expressing this need to occupy your streets with and from.

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This artistic, This is a Yes. Yeah, No, Masha, Look, Yeah.

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Then what is altruism because I was wondering if this kind of collective actions. Are links necessary to app altivism or not?

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So what is It is defined in several ways, but for instance, witheras Ruby speaks about that it's a playful, situation.

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I mean that is poral in meaning it's a collectively created with the collective intelligence.

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It has this on and off transitions moments of ij intense actions and moments of quietness It's always, because it mixes, languages, music, and many many ways of doing things, also the use of technology and what it calls And they are, Meaning they connect different collectives.

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Across borders. Don't say it's It's a He didn't have mementos in Here's an autumnal look here.

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You Yeah, recognised artivism movement. In Europe. And we have this same movement in Argentina.

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So my question was this new movement of artists for the years. At emerged, er, in March, 2021.

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What is, because they use we use art to manifest. Against environmental issues. The advocating for environmental issues and Bye.

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It is not clear if it is it said. Another way of defining is that activism is based in the recuperation of the artistic action.

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With the meeting. The aim of social intervention. So that it's what this collective does. And it has this urge to have art Out, out of the studio, out of the theater.

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To manifest and put in the public sphere these environmental issues. Any particular these movements emerged in March, 2021 as I said.

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When we had a Yeah, Argentina, we had a really long lockdown. Strict.

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Logged down from March 2020. Up to maybe September. Depending on the state. But in March, 21 we still had So many, many limitations to.

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Traveling and stuff. What happened in 2021 we had many, many, fires, intentional fires in the south in the Patagonian south.

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So this, collective, emerged against this intentional, er, fires in, So the characteristic is that it was a movement in Monosires at responding to something.

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Happening in the south. So people who, participated did not have. DAY, direct relation to the problem.

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So we had andwards burning. And so the performance was sounding woods. The gonna continue.

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To have we, yeah. And. Good.

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In. So, You know, And, Marine But don't know if So, the key elements that this collective action took.

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And showed is a mean in the flesh out. Separate organization,ing the little actions. Beyond the overwhelming reality.

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Beyond what is evidently, huge problem this was environmental problem in pandemic time was really really pressing.

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They are only for the because of the fires. But because of the for the farms and the Many, many, many, activists, and projects in in South America.

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So, beyond the overwhelming reality, trusting the legal actions. And hacking common sense. They were The main question of this collective A group is how to hack.

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Common sense and and how to make visible that little actions may have unexpected. Don't. What a So Nazis said, yes.

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Oh,

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So thinking ahead. They think, I mean, the movement was always thinking around. Dispersing.

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Oh, what and how to the dispute. I'll do dispute, consumerism culture and how to dispute what is development.

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And what what futures can we imagine? And so what which is the role of art in this.

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You mentioned in futures. So, So, The and you mucking out. A massage.

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This is the first, movement. This is, This is stop ecosystem.

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We are the earth. This is the law faculty of the University of And this was kind of more than And you have 5,200, musicians.

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Up here and then down here that the picture is not a showing people dancing. So the particular, a feature we see in this movement is that All these people did not know each other.

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Before a meeting there. And thank you. It is a momento, no. This is the second intervention.

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Referring to stop territory side. In this is the big house, and this is an emblematic, square where the matters of every Thursday.

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Do their round. This is the place to manifest. Sorry, this was in the earth's manifestation.

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Yeah. In, Just to my name a few, these are the following actions. Different circumstances where it's this activist collective was intervening.

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So the key question before I use my time is the reside. The this world was key in organizing all the manifestations beyond Many, many alternative parties that are discussed today as the growth.

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The pressing question they, think about is how to move people. So what is Teresa, how we define it and how to move people against it?

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Ashton. In ethical The obstacles were the crisis, economic crisis and artists having no time.

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To manifest. No energy, no money, no time to go and put their own energy. These actions.

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So this collective action started to so, to the a So the last reflection and the last question that they are now Wondering is what to do.

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With the dystopia and instead of being in this dystopia how to create an outopia.

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The thing is people are finding it really difficult to participate. Because of this crisis. So the system is really, really smart.

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Tiring people so they cannot use their energy to manifest. They are now noticing this. In spite of the interest and in spite of the worry they cannot use their time to go and occupy in the public sphere.

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So thank you very much.

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Thank you, Victoria. That was great. Very on topic for this session. We have one very quick question.

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Before we move on to our next speaker or we can we can save a discussion for the end.

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All right, we might keep moving forward then. I like to invite our second speaker, Justin.

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So you don't have.

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My thanks to the session organizers and and to Jordan for our cheery It's an honor and a pleasure to be here as it says in our conference.

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Guide the country. We meet on is called Narm. It is the home of the thrillin.

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Nation where injury I made up, I've read of 5 related. Nations. I acknowledge their sovereignty and pay my respects to their elders.

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Ancestors. I currently live in McMaggy the unceated territory of the Mi'kma people in what is known as Nova Scotia.

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Canada. This paper takes the topic of climate change activism. As an opportunity to draw links and comparisons between sociologically relevant approaches.

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To social change with respect to collective emotions and public feelings. I argue that many influential theories of climate change activism.

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Failed to adequately

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Many influential theories of climate change activism fail to adequately account for negative feelings such as depression and resignation, forms of ambivalence, and contradictory and paradoxical feelings such as love hate, attachment, detachment.

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Failing also. To recognize the importance for climate activism of working through and articulating these feelings aesthetically.

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Rather than suppressing these feeling states. The politics of climate change, 2,009 book by Giddens, Gittens writes is a prolonged inquiry into a single question.

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In face of overwhelming evidence of climate change. Its origins in carbon emissions and effects. Why does anyone continue to drive an SUV?

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The question traces the boundaries of what Giddens calls practical consciousness. Those things we know about how to go on in social life.

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Without knowing how to put that knowledge into words. Located between unconscious and discursive consciousness. It's a crucial element of individual action and a source of recalcitrants.

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With respect to social change and collective action. Practical consciousness is embodied in recursive routines, forms the basis of societal trust.

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Drives Giddens claims a wedge between the potentially explosive content of the unconscious and the reflexive monitoring of action which agents display.

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With respect to the crisis of climate change, the question then is one of transmutation, of nudging social systems to displace the conditions maintaining what he calls Goodens's paradox, formulated as follows.

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Since the dangers posed by global warming aren't tangible, immediate or visible in the course of day-to-day life, he claims.

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Many will sit on their hands and do nothing of a concrete nature about them. Yet waiting until they become visible and acute before being stirred.

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Just serious action will by definition be too late. To shift societies towards climate action, we must tweak the conditions of structural reproduction without disrupting the basic levels of trust generated in everyday routines.

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Although Giddens has long sought to accommodate the realities of conflict, power and inequality in capitalist society.

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His key concepts here are compromise. And political convergence, not revolution. Gibbons remains committed to his 1,900 ninety's language of beyond left and right and the third way.

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Climate policy must not be a partisan issue since successful climate activism depends on citizen buy-in.

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Rather than invoking fear and conflict to get buy-in citizens need positive incentives. Metaphors of pitched battle and life and death struggle are out of place.

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Many have said he writes, we need to mobilize on a level comparable to fighting a war, but in this case there are no enemies to identify and confront.

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Discursive consciousness. Must bolster rather than unsettling the trust rooted in practical consciousness.

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Leveraging consumer choice. Low-carbon lifestyles need to become desirable, set trends, or become iconic.

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Perhaps through the innovation of climate policy entrepreneurs. One thinks you have Elon Musk and Tesla.

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If only electric cars could reach a tipping point. Again, Giddens claims he's not underselling the difficult compromises that must be worked out, but successful climate action needs buy-in.

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Market incentives and green corporate actors. As if in reluctant agreement with Giddens in January, the U.

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Branch of the climate action group Extinction Rebellion and asked a shift. To prioritize attendance over arrest.

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And relationships over roadblocks. One thinks as well of Al Gore's successful documentary and inconvenient truth.

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A film with a spoonful of inconvenient medicine, but delivered in a way that recruits viewers into an heroic task.

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Beyond left and right.

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Like Giddens, in climate change as social drama, Philip Smith and Nicholas Howe concede the seriousness of climate change.

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And also point to the need for public buy-in. How do we get the people on board? Again, the problem is one of perception.

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2 entities, the scientific community and the public are opposed to each other. They write that explaining this gap has become a social science.

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Cottage industry. But it's not simply climate change deniers, confusing the public with nefarious tactics.

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Or that the carbon industries have easily bought off political leaders. The issue is more subtle, they claim.

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We need a theory of culture to explain the gap between belief and action. Gettons's paradox and emphasis on being positive is inadequate to analyze the synthesis of narrative and performance that's required to thread the cultural needle.

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We must go beyond embodied interactional routines to explain resistance. To climate change narratives.

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They claim that climate change within the public sphere has taken on the form of a social drama. Stories with characters, plots, and episodes.

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Climate change as social drama is an emergent meaning cluster. Circulating in the broader civil sphere.

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And the real issue is one of his genre confusion. That has blocked, they write. Climate change from becoming a full-fledged universal social drama that would compel decisive public action and institutional reform.

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To analyze this social drama, they turned to Aristotle to explain what makes a performance successful.

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How do you make your story stick? Not just with logos or discursive consciousness. To use Giddens term, ethos and pathos are also needed, not just logic, but myth, drama, performance.

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And a narrative that fills the gaps in everyday experience. Smith and Howe adapt and update Aristotle's theory of genre.

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Based on the distinction between tragedy and comedy, neither of which fits modern needs. By adding the modern genre of comic romance.

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In modern democratic politics they write, the importance of comic romance cannot be overstated. Without it, most social movements could not exist.

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Or at least they would not know how to describe their mission. Like giddens, they argue we need a positive, hopeful, and unifying, feel-good story.

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But they add a thick interpretation of how genre affects framing, reception, and perception. Climate activism needs to engage heroic and romantic themes.

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To transcend a tragic genre that leads to hopelessness and inaction.

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They argue that genre affects risk perception. In times of uncertainty. Above all, a genre guess.

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What am I watching here? A comedy, a tragedy, something else. A genre guess helps us fill in gaps.

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It helps us conceive the power of agents. The likely outcomes and it provides evaluative criteria. The genre frames interpretation and plays a key role in the success or failure of climate activism.

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Successful climate activist performances can unpick Gidon's paradox, rendering the invisible visible and in a suitably moving way.

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Smith and How provide a criticizable set of case study analyses. I will briefly mention 2.

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Al Gore's an inconvenient truth already mentioned, which they consider a successful performance of climate activism.

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One that redeemed the 2,000 presidential election loser as a humble but wise activist.

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And the Copenhagen Climate Summit in 2,009. For Smith and How, activists must enact a performative fusion of logos.

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With Pathos and Ethos. That explains why audiences would spontaneously stand an applaud after screenings of an inconvenient truth.

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The inability to fuse these dimensions explains why so many other attempts to communicate climate change have fallen flat.

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Logos is subordinate to ethos. And ethos can't be bought. It's not enough to be wealthy, a celebrity.

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Charismatic. Ethos is a complex co-production. Of established roles and performative prowess.

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Activists must successfully embody ethos as character. It can be decisive. And Gore's case, he engaged in self-deprecating irony.

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And the film's director used useful biographical elements. That helped answer the why question, why is Gore doing this?

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Smith and Hau emphasized the reduction or leveling theme. That brought Gore down among the people, a humbler and wiser reincarnation.

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A hybrid character, a failure and an every man. And a mytho poetic hero, a prophet.

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The genius they claim of the film is to construct all of this from just a few minutes of biographical material.

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Commentators observed a lack of ethos at the 2,009 Copenhagen climate summit, however.

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While Kyoto in 1,997 fell short of a romantic narrative it did take a measured and bureaucratic step forward.

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Copenhagen, 2,009, was supposed to be the next big step, but it utterly failed as motivational theater.

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The narrative turned to a tragic genre with media describing poor choices. Chances missed and an event turning sour.

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International conferences according to Smith and How. Are more than horse trading and treaties. They're also a visible symbol of global solidarity.

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Or discord. Acts of Theater. Even the activism. At Copenhagen in the form of protest.

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Is blamed for contributing to an impression of both organised and disorganized violence. The overall impression was of an ugly spectacle featuring a rent a mob versus the goon squad.

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Humans, they argue, were being systematically degraded. This was not an environment in which pro-social, public-spirited gestures could become visible.

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Never mind, contagious. Here we see, like with giddens. A kind of aversion to conflict.

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Fear negative emotions.

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To take a more recent example, consider the 2,021 film Don't Look Up. A disaster film about an imminent extinction event, a comet on a trajectory to hit earth.

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A black comedy. And a film indirectly about the failures of collective action with respect to climate change filmed in the middle of the global pandemic as we now say.

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The characters are mostly represented satirically as worse or at least no better than real people. Main character Dr.

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Randall Mindy. The astronomer who calculates the comets trajectory turns out to be more randy than mindy, getting caught up in celebrity and having an affair with a talk show host.

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Instead of effectively getting the scientific message out. Astronomy grad student Kate Dibiasky who discovered the comet is also rendered inffectual.

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All are asking is for not. Billionaire techvil and Isser Well is very ish rather than well, epitomizing the logic of creative destruction.

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Indeed, by some accounts this film has nothing but villains and losers. The film which dramatizes the vanality of politics and the media and a colossal failure of collective action would be tragic if not for its black humor and has been lambasted by some critics.

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In precisely the way Smith and how predict for contributing to rather than addressing the genre confusion about climate change activism.

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This is not the comic romance we were waiting for.

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A film that might qualify as the 2,022 Norwegian film troll about an ancient creature a troll.

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That awakens following an underground blast as part of a mountain drilling operation. Unlike the comet and don't look up, which is not caused by human action, the troll appears as the revenge of nature for human activity that goes beyond some naturally imposed limits.

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The mountain drilling operation is accompanied by protests. Although these protesters recede from view in the ensuing plot.

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In which a heroic and diverse trio, a soldier, a civil servant, and their leader, paleontologist Nora Tiedemann band together with others in a way that shifts the plot from revenge to a romantic narrative of reconciliation.

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Of Nora with her father who had long insisted on the existence of trolls of science and myth.

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And of a potential reconciliation of humans with trolls. Signalling the possibility of moving beyond a war against nature.

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This would be all too metaphorical to indirect, however, for Andrea's mom.

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For mom, Swedish climate activists and scholar of human ecology, the paradox is not Giddens's but what he calls after an essay by John Lanchester Lanchester's paradox.

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Not why do we continue to drive SUVs? But why haven't we begun torching them?

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The evidence for climate changes overwhelming, so is the evidence indicating the urgency of radical climate action.

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As opposed to Giddens's claim about a lack of enemies. Mom has no shortage of villains.

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The fossil fuel industry, which he calls primitive fossil capital, right-wing climate change deniolists.

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But also quietists that acknowledge climate change but recommend we learn to accept it. And climate change activists that insist on non-violence.

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To tell it otherwise would be to suppress the reality of fossil capital's victims. To suppress the recognition of violence in the name of non-violence.

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There's little comedy here other than sarcastic and ironic remarks aimed at opponents.

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I'll jump ahead a bit here just to get through. Unlike the 2 previous perspectives which de-emphasize negative emotions and forms of action that can be polluted as violence.

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For experience indicates that as long as such fossil capital exists it will resist its own abolition.

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In this regard, it does bear comparison. He writes with slaveholding capital. To flee from the fight would be to surrender beforehand.

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Although seemingly opposed on the role of fear in climate activism with Gidon, Smith and How against it and Mom for it.

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None of these 3 approaches adequately deals with collective emotions or public. And political feelings. While mom begins to address ways that capitalist market economies entail the systematic exclusion of lived experience.

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His published analysis has thus far been one sided, lacking adequate theories of collective emotions. Or of the motivations and effects of climate activism for activists.

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Themselves. I only have time to gesture to theorists of affect and emotion who have done more to theorize complex structures of feeling and effective states such as cruel optimism.

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Lauren Berlant, collective mourning. And aggressive non-violence. This last term is Judith Butler's.

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Butler has been theorizing activism, vulnerability, aggressive non-violence and the powers of performativity for decades.

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Providing us with a nuanced analysis. Of the role of grief, revability, vulnerability, subjectivation, agency.

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And ambivalence that helps us recognise layers of emotional contradiction. And ambivalent forms of agency missing from the other approaches.

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Adequate social theories of climate change activism must deal not only with fear and anxiety, but also with anger and grief.

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The need for mourning already existing and emerging effects of climate change. And fossil capital have had.

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The need for a fuller understanding. As well of the forms of structural and symbolic violence involved. And that must be added to the forms of subjective violence.

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I'll close with a reminder and an acknowledgment that we're here in the homeland of the Kulan Nation.

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The War and Jerry. I acknowledge their sovereignty and pay my respects. To their elders and ancestors.

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Like social media or alternative sources. Yeah, I'm just thinking, you know, living in the northern rivers of New South Wales that there's the Byron Echo and there's all these community publications which do talk about hope and sustainability and things like that that might not be captured in big searches like this.

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I just wondered what your thoughts were around that and if you had a strategy to get different types of publications.

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And should be. So thank you for that.

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Hmm. Good afternoon to all the few. I'm.

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Is that the other guy though? BG candidate from the Oxford School of Public Policy at the Australian National University.

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This is my 15Â min presentation. We are in a sociological crisis. We have that. Climate crisis and also pervasive inequality.

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Between developing in developed countries. Which hoarding to David Harvey. Creates an even global development.

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We are also in a waste of where waste in capital is in Is that only a matter of matter, but it's also about fundamental impact relations.

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He then in this reality is the fact that 99% of plastics is made from parcel viewers.

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Essentially graphics is a way for the oil and gas industry to look for new streams of investment. A special so the carbohydrates must mount to the Paris climate agreement.

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In the Philippines, developing countries at the Philippines, aside from the waste dumping from developed countries.

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There's also the increase in waste generation due to host factors. We're also in a date in May, Pride that's being sold in such shaser pockets.

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Which are not recyclable nerd composer Bologna or Fleetal value to waste workers.

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We have existing policies like Well, you're best solid based management path and are a and cleaner up which by the waste energy and simulation technology or burning of waste.

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And also mandates. In the case of our inexpensive 3, Monday solid waste management, Monday's, proper way.

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Never be helpful. I have excited producers, expanded producer responsibility, which is In baseball, it's a good extends the responsibility of producers over the entire life cycle if I of items however environmental groups in the field teams have been have noted that you know this law EPR apps 2022 may be used

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by corporations for all solution to push for solutions in green machine.

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So far, alongside, this environmental and social ecological crisis are the needs of global south countries or that those which are still developing, developing countries.

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So far their experiences have been from a purely economic perspective or market friendly approaches to solutions.

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With the exception perhaps of capabilities approach which Amerasan offered. In late, 80 thirty-, right?

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Which, brought about a human development index by, introduction of human development index by UMBB.

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Alongside the this medium development approaches It's the alternative development approaches.

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Why not which is is Negro? Which came around, early 2,000, although it, has It's roots in and 7 beef.

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With the publication of limits the growth and smallest beautiful right So, they grow the same from a fundamental idea, the recognition of color currently mixed to economic, growth.

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However, No, of course. Critics have been saying that big growth equals to recession right economic recession and we don't want that but then, critics of the growth.

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A counterargument. The Negro is actually not applying the recession. It's about down scaling or production.

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And no leading away from too much taxation on GDP. Local experiments so far have been mostly from the global north right with direct sourcing of food from farmers, by your bicycle, etc, right?

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So these are some of the values and principles which degree with scholars and after these have been proposing have the of No then the This are some of the good principles and values.

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Dressings and equity, equality, sustainability, converseity and commerciality. In democratic responsible self management.

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If the growth possible in the global south Well, so far because probably because of the question of how can you expect us to grow when we have at rich economic growth and progress yet, not among.

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People in the in the global south. There's a little appreciation or appetite towards the proliferation of the group.

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But as, Jason, he got a much closer, these degree scholars have been saying, actually, they grow in the global north will lead to at the colonized development in the Global South.

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Good to enable the spaces for global south. Contem is to be away from the expected growth as as exporters to veer away from the expected growth as as exporters of cheap labor and raw materials.

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Into focus instead of domestic performance. The building on the mate's forms on severities of self-efficiency and human well-being.

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So alongside this museum environmental museum development approaches you also have You also have alternative development right in the global south side which are happening not parallel to the growth.

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There's when you go in Ecuador, go to South Africa and then be in economic economy of permanence.

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Or the practice of project and ecological demands, or a custom garage in India. Right. So based on my initial In a way, there's also an alternative development happening in, in the global south.

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Probably not in. Exactly in the form of Negro, but there's also a 0 waste, right?

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So this is the international application of 0 waste. But you know with alliance internationally so 0 waste needs if definition, but in essence, no like really proper waste of navigation, waits for waste workers, race speakers.

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Let, segregated do ways in the household, being used to mature recovery facilities in villages.

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And then cycle and compose this. Once the only thing that goes to the LGU, or the local government should be doing it should be.

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Receive device or those switch and neither be recycled, not recycled or Right. So I'd like to with some, no one says, right?

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The 0 waste, the 3 reasons I, am, mentioning here, I'll be searching on is that the individual lifestyle changes, right?

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That I have been proliferating in measuring lifestyle. Blogs and social media right bring your echo bags, read your supposed stories to check out.

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So this is different from that. Management approach.

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It processes from a who that cycle approach from right and No, with hierarchy is somehow inspired for the The fiddle with know taken from the with hierarchy but it adds here an acceptable insinuation with the energy and under agreed technical success.

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In the Philippines where I'm planning to go for Gilbert If the ray came from, 0 we started in 2,012, the Initiative of Moderate Foundation.

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And find the pump mine is considered a 0 model 0 with CB right which in grief in a week's duration rate, meaning that present it goes to the length or downside is they're, in instead, right?

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To, materials regarding the facilities for proper, recycling and composting, right?

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Okay. Yeah, thinking about material flows. Been supposed based on you know economic environmental justice and bottom oppressive authority processes using ideas of democratic participation.

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So if you do with then is a form of deep growth in the global south.

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That's the first of these alternative development movements are the task of imagining, producing, circulating better material flows, right, as Strasbourg and Craven has And then she have in shape that right with important implications for how we use and manage waste, right?

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So these are my research aims and objectives. Based on any show, this proposal which I presented a month ago during my Kennedy seminar.

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This is my conceptual framework. I'll be using political ecology lens. A critical lens on how when rights are copyrighted such as capitalist economic processes and power relations to drive environment has changed in increasingly quite interconnected world.

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I am particularly interested to look into nature society relations as part of broader sociopolitical processes and institutional arrangements because these practices like 0 weights, the growth, alternative development are situated right in in broader social political process with its wrong implications and how these are being propagated communities.

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They're also situated in a broader state society interaction, right? And then I will also be particularly looking into the dynamics in communities and organizations.

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Because I was observed in developmental projects in in in in in in some extent, in some cadmium t to idealize communities as one and homogeneous, right?

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Without taking. cOm, So I'll be interested to look into the demonstrate in communities and this one government organizations which are driving 0 waste work.

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And how we shape collective action. And that could be film. So maybe if in the intersection of the growth through waste and alternative development.

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Can you sorry some of my research questions? There's an overarching questions but with sub-questions mainly taken from the overlaps and potential links between the growth and 0 waste.

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Right. So a bit of a background about the Philippines, of course previous inequality in the Philippines, political and economic powers are concentrated in the hands of a few right-saken oligarchs who have instead of colonization

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Rabbitization, the liquidation and economic liberation. Despite this, we have an Askxivals society's page with space which drives you to wait for work.

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And other developmental projects and activism. So I'll be using on case that the approach and quality give methodological approaches, interviews.

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And of course participant observation. So I believe I am proposing to look into 2 sites. In the Philippines.

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The LGU there is somehow you know believes that a 0 waste means embracing waste energy in So these are, you know, specific details about what my proposal is the size size.

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Of it initially proposed 3 but makes it my panel recommend that maybe I can I limit it to 2 or or even the one, right?

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I'm more in the case study. 2 for competitive purposes, right? So you have very different.

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Over next, similarities and differences in terms of characteristics. These are my, Matrix summary of my research methodology and data collection and the data that I aim to January.

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And then of course it also is needs to make positionality as a researcher. And going to the field I will aim to introduce myself and to as an independent researcher so that my interlocutors won't see me as a I part of the NGO and of course You have to be addressed already so

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I'll be deciding whether to have one or 2 case studies you know as I go to the second half of the year So thank you and definitely your suggestions or comments with will be helpful as I progress with my PhD.

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Dissertation, field work, and then of course writing up chapters eventually.

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But also people in the Zoom if you have questions I will try to monitor them here. So, John, did you have?

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But my comment is really directed at both Jesse's and his paper. And Rebecca won't be surprised to hear that.

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Somewhat on my own research to it. To make this response. So it's quite

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Know what to make. Those of you put a lot of emphasis on anxiety. Understandably. And an array of emotions that in connect with anxiety in various ways.

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I guess the first thing I would then say is that There are variable defenses against anxiety. And they probably should be different.

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Negative or positive to use those simple terms. And I wasn't quite sure where you came down yourself on that in the end except the move to

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Into a friend enemy, which goes very directly. To the opposition of hostile. Aggressivity that we can see.

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Now that may have certain effects on changing agendas and whatever. But it always produces a counter response.

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Another defense against anxiety. Is, they use my own terminology. One that relies on and cultivates a capacity to dwell in an And that's a much more relational response.

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This is what Melanie Klein looked. Referred to as. Presser position. It's a relational, it's about care and concern.

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The other as well as the self. And. The me at least and this goes to to the art aspects of everything that you're talking about.

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To me at least Another effect of it is that it Generates the capacity. For sublimation and I think sublimation is a really important concept.

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Very obviously so in Jesse's case but I suggest in both cases because it is a response which does not fall into the trap of friend.

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Which finds creative energy. And Ken, artworks were obviously always somewhat connected to sublimation processes anyway.

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Her whole account. Oh, variable norms of recognition seems to go very Well, with the variety of responses that you would Yeah.

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Some promoting dehumanization do realisation. Villainizing the other perhaps.

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But alternatively there are other norms of recognition which of course her whole account is. The politics of how to establish these and turn them into a kind of common sense as it would.

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Further point I would make is that certain or certain noise recognition that do Recognize the other as entitled like the self that recognize the nature.

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Relating to the other in mutually respectful ways, etc. They are a kind of strong foundation for sulfur matrix processes.

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Not just at the end of the individual, So that's my suggestions for a way of responding to the centrality of anxiety to what your both are talking about.

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Thank you very much for that comment. I think as far as I understood your point, I agreed I think with with most of what you said and Obviously I didn't use my time very well.

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Which is usually the case with me. The further argument. Elaborates more of moms.

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Case for fossil capital and racial capital. And an entanglement of white supremacy with with fossil capital.

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But what I see mom's argument doing is really a kind of, I guess, inclined in terms of schizoid splitting.

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Right in this kind of splitting as a source of energy. Which it is right friend enemy distinctions do energize but I think that, butler is a resource.

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Along with others for for how that that can ricochet right to use hawk stocks trials language of what happens with ambivalence.

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When we don't when we don't. Face up to it right you get a kind of bouncing of emotions which is also energetic.

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Possibly but so Yeah, I think in a in a way the depressive state is. But something not to be.

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Avoided. Nor should negative emotions be avoided in activism. But in, The aesthetic component of it is, you know, the references to films.

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How can films create what Ross here calls the redistribution of the sensible? So that we kind of move away actually from psychologizing.

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Actors and towards reframing the miseon sin right the overall framework the background set of relations.

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So that we can imagine a different world.

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And acknowledge aspects of that world that we have suppressed. And we haven't processed. So whether that's a kind of psychoanalytic in a literal sense.

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Or more of a I think in butler's terms you know she's always a bit at armed length from psychoanalysis proper this is a cultural resource for thinking through.

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Collective processes. But thank you very much for those comments.

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And I'll echo that and say a big thank you. As I mentioned before, we're very much in the early stages.

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Keenly interested to hear other suggestions for how to build and develop the analysis further through different tools, theoretical and aesthetic.

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Yeah, thank you both for interesting presentation and also the There's one person still online. Yeah. Yes, Victoria.

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I'm actually working on the thesis of Smith and How so it would be interesting to talk to you afterwards a bit further about it but I have a question for the So third presentation.

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So first of all, I don't know you probably didn't see my presentation earlier this week.

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No, no Doesn't matter. I made an oath of view of the framing of heat waves in the UK over the last 40 years.

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And I was wondering if such a longitudinal perspective would be interesting because what I see is that the moment it's much more depressing like the frame of heat waves.

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But in the 19 eighties it was not depressing at all so this kind of new I think is this this depressive state is really something new in relation to climate change.

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So and I think that would be an interesting take. And then the second question would be or second point, what would be you you made a of this different kinds of emotional responses.

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What would be the right emotional response you think to overcome the climate crisis? So what kind of emotional response would be the most.

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Functional maybe a big question but I think it's an important

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I think I can only provide a tentative answer, but 1 one that An emotional response first would need to be highly relational.

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So that the predominant discourse of pathologizing I think is counterproductive in individualizing climate anxiety and especially in the context of curriculum changes.

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Where we're seeing from Montessori through to primary and secondary we're seeing structured introduction of curriculum changes around climate change and treating climate anxiety as an individual pathology clearly pushes us away from any collective potential.

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But in terms of particular emotions It seems very clear that we need to have those longer term kind of moral identity politics.

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Involved that can provide a groundwork for a sense of those core kind of moral emotions of pride. And perhaps kind of anger and tangled with pride.

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And shift away. I think, I think shipped away from more depressive moods.

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I think those need to be part of it, but they need to be transitioned. I can't, they can't be, depressive or lower.

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Pride in a sense of achievement perhaps for collective motivation, perhaps for collective motivation. Perhaps for particular changes, there is some, achievement perhaps for a collective motivation.

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Perhaps for particular changes, there is some dialogue suggesting need to to shift the focus on those smaller achievements that can be made given the current state of the crisis.

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It's it's unavoidable. So what the only things we can kind of celebrate and take pride in are smaller changes now.

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Sorry, was that last question directed to Jesse as well or? That, that's good. Okay, alright.

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Yes.

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Thank you for sharing and my question is also for the first author and I'm really interested in this issue and I made myself also the something quite similar but not in the same.

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It's not related to climate change but it's political depression so that's the emotion in response to the authoritarian politics in China and so I use some similar like ministers and also Samira concern but I have a big question to your the second type of the Emotion discussion you just mentioned that the emotion as individual plasma tree

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and because when I doing political depression research I kind of treated as mental health issue so in my personal feeling is that treaty as a medical situation or mental health situation is not equal to individualized.

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And maybe that's also a collection, collective, experience with this mental health troubles and also you can develop into some collective actions but the situation in in this political issue and in China is quite different so I think there may be some differences but I'm thinking that if that emotion program really is become truly deceased or pessimistic

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level troubles for these people. How can we deal with this kind of these people, how can we deal with this kind of discuss and maybe we can deal with this kind of discuss and maybe we can find some positive meaning from this kind of.

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Yeah, thank you.

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Just a really quick response of a paper by Montgomery, I think from 2,008 on the Bush era and American psychiatric association to instruct parents on how how to shield their children from images of war.

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You know the early part of the that that decade and some arguments from that suggesting that this then Deep list as you know we see when we see emotions as pathology when we see kind of the fear the horror Associated with these very real events as pathologizing And you know, I agree there's a measured approach as

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necessary. It also has the potential to to depoliticize and inactivate.

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I have a quick question for Victoria if you're Just still there, sorry, just appeared on my screen, but I believe Victoria is still here.

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You made a point about the fires that were started being intentional and I'm wondering if you could say a little bit more about that in particular in Australia there was a certain media controversy around certain fires during the 2,019, 2,020 Bushfires gamma where certain matter of fact news was thrown around about the the source of fires and whether or not it

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was climate change or whether it was asking kids. Could you say a little bit more about the the context of those fires being started intentionally?

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We're here.

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ê·¸ëŸ¼ ì‹œìž‘í•´ë³¼ê¹Œìš”? ì´ ìŠ¤ë§ˆíŠ¸ ì˜¬ë¦¬ë¹„ ê³ ì†Œ ì•ˆë…•í•˜ì„¸ìš” ë¸Œë¦¿ì„¼íŠ¸ ë¯¸ëž€ë‹¤ ì„ ìƒë‹˜ìž…ë‹ˆë‹¤.

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ê·¸ëŸ¼ ì‹œìž‘í•´ë³¼ê¹Œìš”?

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Alright, thank you. That's very interesting.

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Yes, please. Yeah. So I'm Victoria and we are from Chile and also Germany. And so I have a question for you and also Germany.

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So I have a question for you. I would like to know more about the groups that you are talking about.

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They are connected with other groups, communities. That's for example in the case of TV I couldn't know.

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At the artist they were more like Really, really connected with the broadest movement and Also, I don't know if they put lights for example in the buildings.

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So it was very interesting to see how they You really create a narrative and also a connection with the for example and let you know whether they're very specific.

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Places but for example sacrifice zones, we stand things in and all but we have many things in the room so have to connect later.

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ì–´ë”” ìžˆì–´ìš”? ì € ìŠ¤íƒ€ì¼ë§ ë¯¸ìŠ¤í„°ìž…ë‹ˆë‹¤. ì•„ë‹ˆìš” ë¨¸ë¦¬ê°€ ê°ì‚¬í•©ë‹ˆë‹¤.

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ê·¸ëŸ¼ ì‹œìž‘í•´ë³¼ê¹Œìš”? ì• ë“¤ ìš°ë¦¬ì•¼ í•˜ë° ë©”ë‹ˆë©”ì´ì…˜ ë¸Œë¼ìš´ìž…ë‹ˆë‹¤.

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ì™œ ì•ˆ í•´ë³´ì„¸ìš”? ë‹¤ìŒ ì‹œê°„ì— ì´ì–´ ë‚¨ìž ì§‘ì‚¬ soul ë‚¨ì§‘ì‚¬ ìˆ˜ë¦¬ì•¼ ê³ ê¸°ê¹Œì§€ ë§Œë‚˜ìš”?

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ì•ˆë…•í•˜ì„¸ìš” ë¸Œë¦¿ì„¼íŠ¸ ëŒ€ë‹ˆ ì„ ìƒë‹˜ìž…ë‹ˆë‹¤. ë¯¸ë„ëŸ¬ì› ë˜ ì¸ê¶Œì— ì¶¤ ë‘˜ ë‹¤ë“¤ ì—˜ë¦¬ë² ì´í„°.

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ê¼¼ê¼¼ížˆ ë“¤ì–´ë³´ì„¸ìš”.

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Thank you. Yes.

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Hi everyone. Jonathan Smith. I'm based in Gajimada University in Indonesia, but I've done a lot of my research in the UK.

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So I wanted to as in fact All the presentations I was thinking about Extinction Rebellion, which is preaching what Victoria mentioned.

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Because they are those of you know they're they're sort of actually trying to build on and channel this sense of.

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Hopelessness around the climate to try to mobilize people so and they do a lot of things like dions and funerals and all kinds of very public.

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Cathartic expressions of whatever depression hopelessness you know to sort of try to amp up.

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People sense that it's a crisis. So is they actually trying to make people more depressed or make people more, they're not trying to, let's find a solution, I mean they are finding a solution but their strategy is a more negative strategy than a positive strategy than a sort of a positive happy message.

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So I was just thinking in that context maybe. So I was just thinking in that context maybe for Victoria.

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So I was just thinking in that context maybe for Victoria first just how do you think What do you think that adds to, let's say, your context and entertaining that kind of cathartic expressions?

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What does that add collectively for people who are also feeling that you know that that sense of pain and and you know sadness.

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And then for, I think maybe for Elizabeth also for thinking. About to the extent of which maybe class or other types of analysis might be useful in the argument as well because at least in the popular literature there's an idea that movements like extinction or God or others are popular there are more how's the word they more

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they draw people more who are more more well off because more people who are well off. Often tend to find more connection with the idea of climate despair.

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Because of their positionality and other things. I just wonder if maybe some of the analysis might be looking at also class and how that fits into perceptions and you know these kind of narratives.

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So thanks.

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ì €í¬ ìŠ¤í…Œì´í¬ íˆ¬ì–´ìž…ë‹ˆë‹¤. ì•ˆë…•í•˜ì„¸ìš”. ì•ˆë…•í•˜ì„¸ìš”. ë¸Œë¦¿ì„¼íŠ¸ ì•Œë¦¬ìŠ¨ ì„ ìƒë‹˜ìž…ë‹ˆë‹¤.

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ì´ê²Œ ë­ì•¼? ìž˜ ë“£ê³  ê³„ì„¸ìš”. Sunding conder ship ì˜ì–´ ì‹¤ë ¥ì„ í–¥ìƒì‹œí‚¤ê³  ì‹¶ìœ¼ì‹œë‹¤ë©´ ê·¸ëŸ¼ ì‹œìž‘í•´ë³¼ê¹Œìš”?

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ë‚˜ê°€ë ¤ê³  ì•„ë“¤ ì•ˆë…•í•˜ì„¸ìš”. ì—¬ëŸ¬ë¶„ ì‹œì²­ìž ë©”ì¸ ë¦¬ìŠ¤íŠ¸ ì¸ë“œë¡¤ìŠ¤ ë„¤.

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ìµìŠ¤í”Œë¡œëŸ¬ìž…ë‹ˆë‹¤. í•˜ë‚˜ ë‘˜ ì…‹. ë„· ë‹¤ì„¯ ì—¬ì„¯ ë§Œì— ë§Œë‚˜ìš”?

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ê·¸ëŸ¼ ì‹œìž‘í•´ë³¼ê¹Œìš”? ì•„. ì˜ì˜ìž…ë‹ˆë‹¤. ì´ë ‡ê²Œ ì¢‹ì€ ë‘ ì–´ìš¸ë¦¬ ìž˜ ì‹œìž‘í•´ë³¼ê¹Œìš”?

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ìž˜ í•´ë³´ì„¸ìš” ê·¸ì¹˜ë‹ˆê¹Œ ê·¸ëŸ¼ ì‹œìž‘í•´ë³¼ê¹Œìš”? ì•„í•˜.

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ì´ê³¼í•´ì£¼ì„¸ìš”. ì•ˆë„ ì•ˆ ê·¸ëŸ¼ ì‹œìž‘í•´ë³¼ê¹Œìš”?

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ì˜¤ë¹  ì•„ë“¤ë¡œ ì˜¤ ì´ˆì™€ë‹ˆì„¸ìš” ìžˆìŠµë‹ˆë‹¤. ì´ê²Œ ì§„ì§œ ì¢‹ìŠµë‹ˆë‹¤.

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ë„¤ ì–´ë–¡í•´ ì–´ë– ì„¸ìš”. ë‚˜ì´í‚¤ ì•„ ë¸Œë¦¿ì„¼íŠ¸ì˜ ë¸Œë¦¿ì„¼íŠ¸ ì†Œí”¼ ì„ ìƒë‹˜ìž…ë‹ˆë‹¤.

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í˜œì›ì´ ë¸Œë¦¿ì„¼íŠ¸ e ìŠ¤í”¼í¼ ì§€í‹± ë„ˆë¥¼ í–¥í•´ ì•ˆ ê·¸ëŸ¼ ì‹œìž‘í•´ë³¼ê¹Œìš”?

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ê¹€ ì„ ìƒë‹˜ ë²„ë¦¬ì‹  ë¸Œë¦¿ì„¼íŠ¸ ìŠ¤í…ŒíŒŒë‹ˆìž…ë‹ˆë‹¤.

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ë§í¬ like down ì•ˆë…•í•˜ì„¸ìš”.

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ì €ëŒ€ ë‘ ë°ì´ìŠˆíŠ¸ ì‹œìž‘í•´ì£¼ì„¸ìš”. ìƒˆë¡­ê²Œ ë“¤ì–´ì˜¤ì„¸ìš”.

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ì†ì¸ë‹¤ ì‹œìž‘í•´ë³´ì„¸ìš” ì´ê²ƒì€ ì§„ì§œ ì´ê²Œ ë­ì•¼ ê·¸ëŸ¼ ë¸Œë¦¿ì„¼íŠ¸ì˜ ë¸Œë¦¿ì„¼íŠ¸ìž…ë‹ˆë‹¤.

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í´ë¦¬ì¹´ ì„ ìƒë‹˜ìž…ë‹ˆë‹¤.

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Do you wanna adjust it? Well, quickly, maybe just, I think extinction rebellion.

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For me, you know, extinction. Is a is a form of loss and invokes grief and rebellion.

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Is often about angered response. So for me I don't see those as negative emotions but more productive or generative.

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So rather than kind of a positive negative balance approach, I'd see them as yet active and maybe inactive.

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And yes, I think the class suggestion is a really good one. Just thinking about what we looked at in the newspaper article so far.

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There is that less you know more individualistic and less productive the sensation of guilt perhaps with those who are more.

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Have a sense of further responsibility, upper class and more environmentally damaging consumption versus the coal lives matter kind of working-class Hunter Valley New South Wales identity.

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Of aligning with Rially and culturally marginalized groups. To yeah position themselves as kind of underdogs against these you know, green shysters.

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So it's definitely worth further exploration. Thanks.

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Do we have any final question?

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All right.

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Being often gibbons at the outset. Mention the concept of I'm looking to security more than find out logical insecure.

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This is one of the examples. And I'm just wondering. Whether that would be quite productive for you to engage with that concept.

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Had this exact same question I was thinking.

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Thank you. I think

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The way that I read, I read Gibbons's argument is that this is what pushes them away from negative.

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The negative and the emphasis on positivity, which I find to be really limited. That anxiety is the most important thing we need to avoid it.

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Because of this unpredictable, unconscious. You know, explosion that might happen, right?

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The way Theora, I don't buy this. Unconscious practical conscious dispersive consciousness.

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I mean it's a it's an interesting thing to think with but I don't follow his Heideggerian reading, I guess.

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Of of the role of anxiety. And the importance of ontological security I think is rooted in other things.

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Than than he it pounds for.

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Right outside. Okay, thank you so much everyone. I also just like to segment it to thank Kima and Pedro who are co-organizer, this is a joint session and so this is certainly not just us.

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So thanks everyone and yeah. Listen.

