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Yes, thank you very much. I think it's very interesting topic. I have 2 questions.

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I tried to keep them short. So the first one is, basically, expanding on what, Tim said and I think over helping is even in some cases a nice way of putting it.

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Because I think there are certain you know, professions added to different organizations such as universities that are causing new types of problems, right?

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And I think, what could be interesting here is if you have this very general term of helping professionals.

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In terms of how they stage themselves but then you type apologize what they're actually doing so there's in some cases I would assume.

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They are basically what, David Graham would call bullshit jobs, right? They are added for whatever reason.

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And there's no real consequence to the work that they are doing and in some cases, they, support or they, add certain practices to what academics are doing and in other cases they add surveillance.

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Etcetera so i think could be interesting to be in a second step a bit more specific, a bit more specific in what these helping professionals actually do at the universities and how they maybe interact with each other or compete in what these helping professionals actually do at the universities and how they maybe interact with each other or compete over resources in the university.

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which is how they maybe interact with each other or compete over resources in the university. Which moves into the second point, the model case is because you mentioned, Monica and what I think is interesting about her work is how She thinks that how she, her point is right, that.

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The way we theorize general models is often. Influenced by very specific examples that we have in mind and the university So it could be interesting to think about, you know, how we the way we feel right helping or you for helping professionals.

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Would change if you took other types of organizations into account and how they add or deal with these helping professionals.

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So if they're there the university which used to be composed mainly by professionals is now equipped with other people basically driving in missions or or articulating missions that are not only about research and teaching what does it actually do with regards to the perceived goal of the universities?

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I was I was also thinking about the side of the of the highly skilled workers that came a little short in your presentation.

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And the question my question is. So. What a found interesting is you said the frame that people use is sort of a combination of psychological and sociological categories.

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Right? Maybe you could talk about that. A little more. I found that really interesting.

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And when you say there are also sociological elements to that, I found that really interesting. And then third, you also said you talked about the mechanisms, of diffusion or spreading these frames and I think, I found that also really interesting, but I also got a bit lost like Robert.

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So maybe could you just. Summarize, you know, the main mechanisms there because I think that's really important.

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Different ways. I was wondering you had a longitudinal component in your study.

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