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So. welcome to. I have to step back a little bit. Welcome to our C. 11. Session, with very intriguing title, aging, autonomy, and connectedness. We also acknowledged the country and the welcome.

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the lands! We are! We're standing here, and and the thinkers of of the of the land and the country, and we will start with our presentation. The first one will be by. satellite kinem! From car spat University.

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In Sweden, on dancing for intimacy, transformation of relationships in old age, and I just introduced myself. I'm Lucy Vidovichio from Marc. 11. So Saturday the floor is yours.

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Satu Heikkinen: Thank you very much. Hello, everyone I will just share the screen a moment, please.

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Satu Heikkinen: and then. oh.

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Satu Heikkinen: is it okay? Oh, no.

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that's a presentation mode

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Satu Heikkinen: here, is it? Okay, now.

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and not yet, but hopefully will be. And we we can still see your slides, but also your notes.  okay.

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Satu Heikkinen: now.

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not yet.

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Satu Heikkinen: not yet. I will try

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Satu Heikkinen: once more. And now.

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yeah, try to share the screen once again. she's frozen now I see that there's a delayed a little bit.

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We have a few flights right now, but it may be just delight.

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The connection seems to be very weak.

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That's the first time I'm experiencing something like this. The connections seem to be weak. I don't know on which side?

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Oh.

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let's let's

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try once again. I mean, we have enough time to experiment with this.

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or maybe

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trying to share the screen once again, please.

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Satu Heikkinen: Yes.

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or if your presentation is uploaded, I can try to do it from here.

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Satu Heikkinen: Yeah, I have done some changes, but it's okay. Maybe it's an easier if you

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try once again for last time, and then we will see.

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Satu Heikkinen: Yeah.

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Satu Heikkinen: I would do like this. I would stop

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Satu Heikkinen: and I will try. And

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Satu Heikkinen: is it okay?

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Not yet. Had we seen it before? just it was presenters mode.

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So there was a way to do it.

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Satu Heikkinen: I I I I was. Actually, it's because I have 2 screens that that's why it's something. Because I I have like the

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Satu Heikkinen: right Powerpoint that I don't have the presenters mode at any that screen, so I don't know why. You see the presenters.

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how we see just your lovely face and not your Powerpoint, so that if that could change, that would be also

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we can start.

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 yeah, yeah, yeah, you you should probably just hit the share screen button. And

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but I see that maybe she changed for duplicate the screens, and that could have mixed with the

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Satu Heikkinen: now I put on. Oh.

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Satu Heikkinen: Excuse me, I I can do like. is it okay? Now.

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this.

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Satu Heikkinen: Lucia, is it okay? Now? No, no, no, not okay. But then you can share my, the the Powerpoint. I I have.

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Satu Heikkinen: Chad, before

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have you? No, sure? No.

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no, I'm not sure that you are you able to see the slides now. Yes, I I can see the slides. So you will just tell me I'll try to click them for you.

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Satu Heikkinen: Yeah, yeah, okay, thank you so much.

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Satu Heikkinen: Yes. So

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yeah. Well, hello, everyone.

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Satu Heikkinen: As for Gmail mentioned, I'm Mr. Haken, and I'm an associate professor of sociology at Carlton University, and today I will present the paper on Intimacy among all the people. That's a couple of those in Sweden, written together with Ontario and some from Costa University. And the next slide, please.

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if I had to do okay.

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Yes. Do you see the next slide?

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Theoretical framework?

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Satu Heikkinen: Yeah. Oh, no, no theoretic, it should be the background

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yes, we have a background. Now.

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Satu Heikkinen: our activity amongst Swedish older people. This is also an important arena for intimacy, such as physical closeness.

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Satu Heikkinen: However, we know very little about intimacy, grade dancing. There is a lot of research on health and aging. There is research on other social aspects from some of the meanings of dance. That's as a leisure activity among older people. But we have had difficulties in finding studies, focusing on intimacy, dance, and aging.

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Satu Heikkinen: If we look at research on aging and intimacy more generally, it is mostly focused on long term relationships, such as romantic relationship friendships or sexuality.

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Satu Heikkinen: Researchers have claimed that these kind of intimate relationships along all the people have changed in like modernity. Similarly to intimacy among other age groups, divorce is a more common, and it is popular to live a part together in Sweden

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Satu Heikkinen: and a way. And we want to suggest that also other kinds of intimacy, such as the intimacy in great dancing is part of this changing culture of intimacy. For example, dancing, great dancing is a new phenomenon emerging in the end of 19 eighties, and Sweden handed out with changing images of aging.

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Satu Heikkinen: These matters contributed to our interest in intimacy in grade dancing. The aim of the study, therefore, was to explore dancing as a site for intimacy among all this weeds. Next slide, please.

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Satu Heikkinen: What is intimacy? Then? It has been described as a communication on on a personal level that pays no or little attention to social or formal rules.

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Satu Heikkinen: go.

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Satu Heikkinen: David Morgan distinguishes 3 dimensions of intimacy.

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Satu Heikkinen: The first one is physical or embodied intimacy, that is, for example, holding hands, hugging, sitting close to each other. The second one is emotional intimacy, that is, for example, when we share the feelings with each other, recognition of emotional responses of others.

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Satu Heikkinen: but also when we feel close to each other, for example, when sharing interests.

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Satu Heikkinen: The third one is intimate knowledge. It's a particular knowledge of each other conventionally denied this to.

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Satu Heikkinen: We can also note that traditionally, intimacy has been viewed as an aspect of long term relationships.

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Satu Heikkinen: Next slide, please.

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Satu Heikkinen: What about intimacy in couple dance? In order to understand this phenomenon, we use the concept of intimability.

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Satu Heikkinen: The concept refers to how the dances in a high degree arrange and seek intimacy for its own sake.

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Satu Heikkinen: not for relationships. but the concept we try to divorce intimacy from relationships and the implications there off. It builds on seamless concept of sociability for its own sake. Next slide, please.

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Satu Heikkinen: and some short remarks on methods.

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Satu Heikkinen: Before I present the preliminary, some preliminary results. In this study we interviewed 29 older individuals about 50 years, who had experience

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Satu Heikkinen: of capital dance me. Nature was 70 years, and the age span was between 53 to 81 years. The interviewers all visited the same kind of couple dancies, folk, slot and Swedish book, which is similar to an early kind of Linda.

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Satu Heikkinen: and we have analyzed how the interview is talked about feelings and

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Satu Heikkinen: Hello! Next slide, please.

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Satu Heikkinen: yes, thank you. And then the results. I will present 2 aspects of intimacy today. Intimacy, experience when dancing. and then as a kind of, and then it is as a kind of community of belonging which we are called the dance family.

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Satu Heikkinen: We are in the process of analyzing how long-term relationships are handled within an in relation to these other kinds of intimacy.

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Satu Heikkinen: It is in dancing here now, and I will start by illustrating this by a quote, interviewer.

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Satu Heikkinen: If you would describe to me what you like about dancing, what would you say? Closeness, music. I love music, and the closest to the person I'm dancing with the feeling that you belong together. Somehow, someone you like more than the other guy over there

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Satu Heikkinen: think of to explain, but I have, but I feel a kind of happiness. I feel acknowledged somehow acknowledged how.

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Satu Heikkinen: as a woman, as a human being, somehow someone who someone likes me and holds me, and I get to move around.

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Satu Heikkinen: We saw in the material

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Satu Heikkinen: how the interviews interview is put forward. They port doesn't moving synchronized. You're not moving alone and kind of get good feelings alone. The feelings of happiness and flow is an accomplishment with a partner. Dance is togetherness such as shortly summarizing 10,000 here allow. It's physical and highly emotional, even if momentary. It is non-verbal, and it's not committed in the sense that you often know very little about your partner.

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Satu Heikkinen: and this brings us to the next slide about integrability.

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Satu Heikkinen: thank you.

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Satu Heikkinen: And the next slide, please. Once more thank you.

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Satu Heikkinen: And and here is a quote to get this real feeling of Hallelujah! When you get well.

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Satu Heikkinen: we we always say you for crazy in love, laughing.

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Satu Heikkinen: That's very restrictive to get involved or get to know the dance partner as a person. It was a dance closeness, without

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Satu Heikkinen: obligations to a specific part of the music, and then stopped next slide, please.

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and to actually this, the participants shift partners every second or fourth

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Satu Heikkinen: that is even the newer. Many dance events. They avoid saying we're doing things at my team at a courtship or interest in the very person. But at the same time they talk about emotions in the desk as associated with relationships such as long friendships.

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Satu Heikkinen: They seek the experience in dancing, which also means giving it to others others. So it is a balance of being very close and intimate without obligation.

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Satu Heikkinen: It's about being intimate for the sake of intimacy and that. And it's not anything external.

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Satu Heikkinen: And this can be compared to sociability which is about being social for the sake of sociality, and not anything external.

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Satu Heikkinen: Not anything serious about personal narratives. Next slide, please.

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Satu Heikkinen: And now I will continue with the dance family.

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Satu Heikkinen: It is relationships which occur, correlation with to occur within the widespread network of participants dancing at manifold places.

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Satu Heikkinen: The Egyptians do not only dance in one place, it usually does in many places depending on which music is played with

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Satu Heikkinen: belonging. One example of belonging is this man who says

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Satu Heikkinen: that is the what was as I had the dancing. I had a family to return to.

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Satu Heikkinen: It is based on the intimacy in dancing here and now, as the as a quotation.

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Satu Heikkinen: and at at the end of the slide shows

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Satu Heikkinen: we love to dance to with each other. I am in love with that man, because we down so wonderfully, and it is so fun. The times we arrived at the same place.

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Satu Heikkinen: and it is a kind of dance, friend, even if I only know that his name is Jonas, and he kind of have a wife at home, so it will it so it's really the joy of dancing, and it makes me grow.

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Satu Heikkinen: and it is the same with so many persons. and to quickly summarize the dance family next slide, please.

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Satu Heikkinen: Oh, this sorry next slide. I had skipped this one. Yeah, thank you.

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Satu Heikkinen: it is based on the intimacy and dancing here and now, however, it was a different in important aspects with regard to emotional intimacy. If intimacy in dancing here now is based on feelings of happiness, joy, and flow, the intimacy in the dance that is based on belonging

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Satu Heikkinen: with a lot of physical intimacy. If intimacy in the dancing here and now, it's based on physic and close to some bodily interaction. The down somebody is relations beyond the momentary physical closeness. It's relations in the room at dance events, but also between dance events

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Satu Heikkinen: with regard to intimate knowledge

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Satu Heikkinen: similar to intimacy in dancing here. Now, external verbal knowledge about individual lives and narratives is limited, however, knowledge about corporal being and acting, how people help us how people dance and move or forward them.

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Satu Heikkinen: As the downstone is based on intimacy in the very dancing act. Intimability is also manifested here. The dances try to avoid relationships outside of the dance.

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Satu Heikkinen: The intimacy in the dance family is all is thus also oriented for the sake of intimacy when dancing. that's it. And here is a quote.

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Satu Heikkinen: Then you meet people and you don't do.

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Satu Heikkinen: Then they finally get the kind of crowd he's there she is, there they are, they get together and they get a part.

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Satu Heikkinen: and then some computing remarks. Great dancing is an arena for intimacy where relationships or courtships are kept away. We have called this.

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Satu Heikkinen: we find this concept fruitful, and we'll analyze it for the In in relation to long-term relationships, on how they are handled. For example, how do we find a part that what intimability is so pronounced.

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Satu Heikkinen: or how do you act? If the partner you're living with is present at the D, so the concept will be developed further

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Satu Heikkinen: in mobility in that it's a highly meaningful ofes for bodily and emotional experience. Groups forming around the dance activity are less likely to for bonds outside dancing. That's the way these groups or networks of food reinforce into mobility

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Satu Heikkinen: in mobility can be related to sociological research on Tango by Maria Tanks.

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Satu Heikkinen: she puts forth that we have to rethink intimacy in sociology, and writes about see me anonymous transitory attachments in tango dances.

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Satu Heikkinen: and and it describes a similar phenomenon. As we have seen. we are preferred into mobility as a concept as it highlights how people are Internet just for the sake of intimacy. They seek intimacy

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Satu Heikkinen: just like in sociability. How people are social for this

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Satu Heikkinen: in relation to intimacy and aging. Next slide, please.

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Satu Heikkinen: And if you're interested in these ideas or interested in aging and dance, please please just contact me.

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Satu Heikkinen: You have my contact details on this slide. Thank you for your attention.

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Thank you very much. Despite we we lost you a couple of times. I think this was wonderful presentation about very interesting topic. And moving to to kind of new directions, and even just start me thinking how you know to other places. We can think about this and and use this concept to to do more. Are there any questions, comments, suggestions for Saturday in the audience or online?

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I hope I didn't lose you when I've done this.

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and I may have no

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Samuel, sir. no. So in progress.

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Zoom in progress. But

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Hello! Hello! Yes, that's good. Good! Good!

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I don't see any questions suggestions here, and and unfortunately I somehow close to Zoom, so I cannot see if there is. There are any. questions in the chat. If they are, please speak up, because otherwise we won't hear you and I your question. One or comment will not be read.

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It doesn't seem to be the case. So once again, thank you very much for for bringing this topic to us. and we will continue with the presentation on empowerment and older people, characteristics of French language research.

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and that should be pre-recorded. So I I will be able to put this on.

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Good morning, Professor Cecil Park.

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Yeah. By the way, man. sorry.

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Good morning, Professor Cecil Carr and I, Julie Barler, delighted to meet you today. I'm sorry I can't be here today, but I'll be following the rich discussions at the conference with great interest.

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Howell's empowerment concept being addressed within the scope of aging a concept that has spread throughout English speaking cultures within which it has clear meaning. Empowerment is a less tangible concept. Within French language literature.

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This presentation will focus on introduction context and Goals. The Methodology with Research Strategy Procedures for Processing the Corpus and Characteristics Structuring of Research Results of the thematic Chronological and Semantic Processing the analysis and Discussion with forms of power.

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concepts of empowerment. paradigm, implication, and conclusion concerning introductory remarks and goals. the indirect to see's healthy aging through innovation in rural Europe programs in which we are participating seeks to improve the well-being of people aged over 60 in rural areas, using empowerment as a lever. It brings together partners and universities from 4 countries, France, the United Kingdom, Belgium, and the Netherlands.

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Numerous questions grown up during the seminar is organized as part of the hair research program on the issue of empowerment, especially when preparing data collection grids.

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This situation had led us to search through the existing literature, especially in French, about empowerment and elderly be. There is no review as yet of French language, scientific literature, except that of Bill, and based on 9 articles, none of which was taken from French language, literature, and concerning home support.

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Since the objective is to identify the structure of the research in the field of old age, the forms of our and concepts of empowerment which underpin it.

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This approach became dominant in countries with an Anglo-saxon culture. These terms refer to an extremely wide range of practices and customs with a range of challenges in social issues. Recognition of the rights and power to act of elderly people combating age is in the radical overhaul of social action

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and scientific issues analyze and regard social and political phenomena. The question of the social link and its reconfiguration in the redistribution of power in question.

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The methodology will prevent the research strategy, the procedures for processing the Corpus and the characteristics of the Corpus. This Literature review is based on articles published in peer-reviewed journals to establish the scientific validity, the route they were identified through Google Scholar and the Vidic search engine used in higher education

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by category of thought, anchored in an English-language culture. The translation of the term empowerment in French is complex, taking different forms, depending on countries and stakeholders how to act capacity, development, or auton, and this Italian boosting independence.

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In other cases the actual English term empowerment is used. The term participation is also widely used within the specialized literature to top of empowerment. During this initial stage 5,140 articles were identified. Subsequently we searched for the use of these articles in the field of old age to 75 articles were chosen.

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The process of verifying the relevance of the articles continued with searching for keywords in the plan and in the article, and it applicable from the complete reading of the articles. In the end 63 articles were selected.

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Once the corpus was stabilized, the data were subject to processing, enabling their classification according to a series of items, and especially themes and their chronological order of appearance. The concepts and their definition as applicable

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software provided supports to the process of Darwin analysis and classification. These digital tools enable the streamlining of the documentation and a systematist. Ition of the processing of Darna, thus facilitating analysis of the Bibliographic Corpus.

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The articles were published between 19 and 93 and 2021, 19 scientific disciplines can be observed indicating a key characteristic of the field. It's multidisciplinarity. Sociologists are the most common parties to fit into this philosophy.

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followed by Canada and Switzerland. The poor old processing of the Corpus was carried out. Dramatic, chronological, terminological, and semantic

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processing operations reveal the characteristics of French language. Research into empowerment in the field of old age.

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6 main themes may, however, be identified. The most significant theme is that of public action and social intervention, and compassing 17 articles. The them of citizenship and social participation is also very present, featuring in 14 articles

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the topic of public health and active aging encompasses 11 articles. The issue of region, neighborhood, and environment includes 10 articles. The following issue also handles the living spaces of elderly people, but the issue here is collective accommodations in institutions.

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It brings together 7 articles. This latter group of 4 articles is more heterogeneous. Within this theme, which we have entitled Women, Families, and Caregivers. Empowerment is addressed through the prism of age and gender and problems connected with care. Articles can handle more than one theme. We have chosen to count them in the theme with which they are most fundamentally associated.

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The beginning of French language, scientific literature concerning the empowerment of elderly people are rooted in political participation. The first identifiable article was published in 1 93 in the review, politics and concerns voting and its role in maintaining a citizen identity.

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Participation in democracy more specifically participatory democracy constitutes a key issue. This question spreads rapidly at territorial level with the appearance of the issue territory, neighborhood, and housing, and the publication of a 1,997, article by margin. In the review, writing, social Ed. Politics.

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the issue of public action and social intervention can be identified in 2,002. The topic of collective and institutional accommodation appears in 2,004, with the publication of an article by Motay and Delil, in the Canadian Social Work Review. The topic of public health and active aging appears in 2,005.

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This theme is the furthest from the democratic historical foundation, the final issue. Women, families, and care appears in 2,000 days with the publication of an article by Forrest and Rap, and in the Reviews, the public. This topic still remains highly marginal

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to terminological diversity characterizes French language. Literature when talking of empowerment. This term empowerment, however, is found in almost half of the articles. The term participation appears to almost the same extent. However, it is power which is most common capacity. Capability represents 32% of the terms cited as well as choices decisions.

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These are then followed by the terms engagement involvement, then the terms autonomy, self-determination. The main definition of empowerment is close to that provided by viriots, durable and author referenced in 12 articles. Empowerment is a set. This power is most often associated with the learning process.

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Lastly, what are the forms of power, the concept of empowerment, and the paradigm implications. This semantic analysis shows that the power in question refers to forms that differ considerably, depending on the articles and topics identified. The question of the sharing of power has expanded to that of users. Participation in the field of public action and the evolution of public policies.

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This participation leads to a questioning of the place taken by users in the activities proposed institutionally, but also that given to common know-how and ordinary skills in actions linked with their environment. In addition to power over the city, then over one's immediate environment, there is another type of power, self-government.

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The analysis of the corpus of Februaryographic garter, especially semantic analysis, reveals 3 main types of concept, a civic concept, a managerial concept and hygienist concepts specific concept depends on a democratic principle. With all citizens depending on political life and public decisions.

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concept of empowerment with the hygiene measures which the W. H. O. Explicitly links to activity, needing to enable the preservation of autonomy as people get older

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in so doing, a vision of the world is conveyed. This vision of the world sheds light on paradigms which have been largely implicit. The paradigms on which empowerment depends are rooted in values shape the definition of problems and guide practices.

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facilitate access to resources, and by doing so contribute to reducing the impact of social inequalities, or rather modified perceptions and individual behavior, enabling a boost to self-esteem and individual responsibility

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in the end, and whatever the underlying concept. The concept of empowerment is closely associated with our relationships, conveying patterns of though, and areas of action worthy of investigation.

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In conclusion. if we refer to the framework of analysis developed by Weaver. The most significant rationale is that of purpose, with the resources enabling the achievement of goals with a view to maximizing benefits. However, a rationale of value appears in alignment between the act and the individual and his or her values. Those such make up his or her identity.

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So we can also thank for the presentation. I would remind you that you can use the apple app or the website to the conference to post your questions and comments directly to the altar. So if you are up to that, you can you can off the definitely do that. I've been using this, though it's very comfy, but I'm not leaving that to Laura. for delivering her presentation on a Gbtq plus older adults, perception

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All right. Good afternoon, everybody. It's nice to see some faces in the audience on this very last day

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My name is Laura Herd, and I want to begin by just acknowledging my co-author, Linda Lee, and we are presenting here. I am presenting, on behalf of both of us a paper entitled, I want to grow old with dignity older Lgbtq. Plus adults, perceptions, and experiences of aging.

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and in addition to Lucy's acknowledgment of the keepers of the land here. I would like to on this important day in Canada, acknowledged that the research was conducted on the ancestral, traditional, and unseated

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territories of the muslin people in Vancouver.

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So what I'm going to do today is just give you a very brief background that contextualize the study outline, the methods and the findings, and then talk

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much to Sandra's chagrin about implications. But she's not here to hear them. So

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here we go to begin. It's important to contextualize the study in previous research, and with respect to health and well-being, much of what has been done has documented that older Lgbtq adults are predisposed to physical and mental health illnesses

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due to discrimination, and the accumulation of disadvantage over the life course.

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They express anxieties about accessing culturally safe health, care and long-term care as they fear the loss of rights and safety as they grow older.

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The literature has also found that older, queer individuals are worried about the losses to their social networks that have occurred with age.

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They report feeling excluded from queer subcultural spaces.

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and note that there is a lack

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of age and gender appropriate resources.

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Consequently many older Lgbtq. Adults report feeling lonely, and describe how this has been exacerbated by the death of friends, partners, and family.

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not to mention the rejection that they've often experiences from their biological families.

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When we look at some of the existing gaps in the literature, and I want to acknowledge that there have been an increasingly an important number of studies done in this area. There are a few gaps.

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pieces done, particularly in the United States, but relatively few studies in Canada.

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Most of the research that has been done

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his centered around older Lgbtq person's experiences of health and social service needs and discriminations that they experience in those spaces and places.

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There's also been, and I want to acknowledge some of the controversies about what I'm about to say, a tendency to examine queer groups in isolation.

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So I want to acknowledge the criticism of amalgamating peoples from different sexual and gender identity groups, given the distinct nuances of their varied histories and experiences.

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that our participants often did not cleanly fit into one distinct identity category, and therefore we, we felt that the analysis benefited from studying people's experiences together.

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The question that guides this particular paper is, How do older Canadian Lgbtq. Plus adults perceive and experience aging and later life?

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So this paper is from a broader social constructionist study that focused on the meanings that older Lgbtq plus adults in Canada gave to their everyday lives and identities

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their experiences of aging and and paying particular attention to the context of ageism, homophobia, transphobia, and their intersections.

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So the participants in our study included 30 people who were age 65, plus

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who were community dwelling.

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who, self-identified as lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, or another gender or sexual minority, and they had spoken proficiency in English.

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They were between the ages of 65, and 83, and I want to acknowledge that most were Canadian born, white, University, educated and middle class.

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15 participants identified as female and 15 as male, including 5 transgender women and one transgender man.

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14 participants identified as gay, 10 as lesbian, 2 is bisexual, 2 is pansexual, one is asexual and one is heterosexual.

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I had the privilege of being able to conduct 58 of the 61 interviews and I spent approximately 113 interview hours with at least 30 people who shared their stories with me.

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So the data were analyzed thematically, using inductive and deductive coding.

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our data and then used in Vibo 12 to identify 3 overarching themes

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in the participants, narratives specifically, they talked about losses.

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gains, and needs. And I'm going to describe these in a little more detail.

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despite the fact that the majority of the participants describe, their health is good, very good, or excellent. They reported both health and social losses.

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For example, all 30 participants noted that they experienced one or more physical or cognitive health issues.

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This included everything from cancer, cardiovascular disease, chronic respiratory disease, HIV Aids, metabolic syndromes like diabetes, muscular scalido conditions like arthritis, neurological conditions such as Parkinson's and mental health issues.

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more than half of the participants

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reported difficulties in engaging in everyday activities, and they articulated fears about future losses to their independence and autonomy.

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Similarly, more than half of the participants reported social losses, including the passing of partners, family

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friends, or chosen family and barriers to social engagement.

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Individual level barriers included things like having low energy and mobility challenges and societal level barriers included a lack of older adult and Lgbtq plus inclusive and accessible social services and activities.

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So here's a quote from a 77 year old cisgender, Lesbian woman, who said, I'm way more dependent on other people now than I have ever been a lot of things I can't do myself, and so my life is governed by when other people can do what

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I want done rather than doing it when I want to do it.

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And, boy, would I like to speak to Melanie right now? Because, as I've been telling a few colleagues, I'm learning this myself.

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However, it's also important that many of the narratives were of ones of resilience.

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and all of the participants shared or close to all of them shared stories of many things that they had gained over the life course.

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and specifically they talked about things that they had gained with with age, for they, for example, they talked about the importance of acquiring wisdom as well as a heightened sense of self-confidence and self-acceptance often linked to changing cultural and social norms, and the increasing societal acceptance of Lgbtq persons in Canada.

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They noted that they'd experienced material and non-material freedom. For example, many of the gay men talked about having greater financial security.

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more of the Lesbian women talked about things like work and family-related responsibilities being alleviated as they grew older, so they talked about collectively, having more free time.

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Almost half of the participants emphasized repeatedly the importance of having a strong sense of belonging to a community and the support of friendships that they had acquired over time.

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Many of these supportive friendships had been cultivated in an era when they often had to stick together in spaces and places where families had rejected them, or they didn't feel safe out in society.

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Consequently many people also talked about the importance of Lgbtq. Plus advocacy, and even in their 60 70 s. And 80 S. Continued to hold this as an important

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governing principle for their lives.

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So here's a quote from a 70 year old cisgender, gay man, who said, I just feel incredibly free.

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I'm not concerned about others expectations for me. I never was to a greater extent, but I certainly was to some extent

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so losses and gains.

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these needs they framed as being essential for continuing to age well, as they moved forward.

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So they talked about the importance of gender-affirming care, specifically the presence of safe and inclusive spaces as they managed health changes and physical declines moving forward.

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They also talked about the importance of meaningful occupation

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as being essential for well-being. So they noted that engaging in hobbies and volunteerism. And, as I've already said activism and maintaining an attitude of lifelong learning, was important to sustaining a sense of purpose and generativity.

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and finally, many participants talked about the importance of having strong social collect

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connections and a community of support as being essential for mitigating loneliness and isolation.

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So, in the face of the loss of social connections as they lost partners and friends.

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and in a a society where they continue to feel that they were marginalized, they stressed the importance of establishing more formal and informal Lgbtq plus inclusive supports.

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So here's a 77 year old woman who said, it's anticipating the future around issues of independence and housing

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the possibility of having to re-enter society, that I've never been part of sort of looms there. I may have to use services that involve straight people who aren't necessarily that.

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our study provides a Canadian example of how older Lgbtq adults may simultaneously perceive and experience aging as a time of declining autonomy and heightened vulnerability, as well as a stage of life characterized by enhanced well-being and resilience.

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Our findings indicate that losses and gains are not experienced in isolation in the face of declining health. Older? Individuals turn to their social networks for support.

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However, when those support systems are shrinking, they may experience heightened social isolation.

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At the same time the social engagement is not just about the presence of people, but can also be facilitated by social norms, spaces, and organizations which can in turn foster self-acceptance, inclusion, and well-being.

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So, in conclusion, our findings demonstrate that health and well-being for older Lgbtq adults means having access to inclusive health care, meaningful activities and supportive social networks.

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And so, of course, this leads to a number of key implications and recommendations.

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First of all, our findings support

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previous calls for more inclusive trauma-informed and gender-affirming health care and social services, so that older Lgbtq persons will access the care they need and grow older with dignity.

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our study highlights, the need for more programs and services that recognize not not just to be inclusive, but recognize the diverse gender and sexual orientations of older adults.

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And finally, there is a need to address the underlying barriers to social participation, such as things as disability, ill health, and poverty.

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Thank you very much. Do we have some questions or suggestions?

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myself in just before the session at the social injury population? session and there was and I don't recall the name, but you can see that in the program, gentlemen talking about our traumas, or or young adult traumas

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having influence on biological age. In the age. ad health! Study in the United States. So I wonder also, when we talk about cumulative advantage and disadvantages, and and how that also can have effect on all these losses. We are talking, and even on the health that we see in Lgbtq.

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people being threatened to out of their lives.

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Yeah, thank you. It's a really important question, and something that I've I've dressed in a separate paper. So I'll just kind of briefly make a nod to that. That discrimination was something that was reported by all of our participants right across the life course and many different forms, but specifically ages of homophobia and transphobia and all their different intersections.

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And they talked about the impacts of that on their bodies, on their psyches, and so on. So an enormous number of reporting of

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physical violence, but also rejection from families. It it it I. I must say, that it is the most moving interviews that I ever had such a privilege to sit with people who would share that with me. And yes, I I can only imagine

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the impacts on their health as all those health issues that I was describing to you, the linkages to those abuses that they had experienced. And then simultaneously, all that resilience that I'd like to highlight as well in people's surviving and thriving in the face of all that they hadn't experienced

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I'm so much and big technical people, and behind that actually shared our screen. Thank you.

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Thank you, Laura, for that really interesting presentation. One thing that was burning in my mind as you're talking is in Australia. There's been quite a lot of focus on the Lgbtqa plus

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community, and their experiences in aged care facilities and the need to support them in aged care. And one thing you were talking about in your presentation is that thinking about needs and clearly part of that was future orientated? I'm just wondering did anything come up like future care needs and

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issues or concerns? Part of the reason I also ask, I should say, is in Australia. We have quite a big dominance of religious organisations, endangered care which is part of the hesitation as well. So thank you.

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Yes, it got talked about a lot. Many people had a partners that they had nursed through the end stages of life. So they had seen up, close and personal, and one story that comes to mind is one woman

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caring for her partner, who developed dementia, and she talked about, you know, here in Vancouver, there in Vancouver. Excuse me, we celebrate Christmas. We celebrate Chinese New Year. We celebrate all these other things, but they weren't celebrating pride, and so she brought it to the attention of the the facility and the facility's response was great. You can do it.

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And so, you know, she was saying, like

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these spaces put the onus on us to to make changes. They're not looking inward and and proactively making those changes which makes people afraid.

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you know, to to go. What if you don't feel that you have the power to stand up and say, I want pride

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in this space so absolutely. There were stories about that. A lot.

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Peta, Peter! But, Peter, you are also used to all different types of pronunciation. Great But it is from the University of Tasmania in Australia, and I would like to be better in sharing the screen in advance, so please come up and let's see if there are.

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I don't see the controls. No, no, no, no, no! Let me start over

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because I'm afraid when this is start it doesn't go on zoom automatically and just give me a minute.

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That's fine. That's fine. I can stand for

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Jo Brady, Sydney Uni: Hi! It's Joe Brady. Yes, I can hear you.

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Okay, thanks that. Thanks for everyone for your patience as well. I just want to start by acknowledging that we're gathering on aboriginal country. This is the land of the one G. People of the coolant nation, and I wish to acknowledge their connections to country and their elders past, present, emerging. I also want to acknowledge the Palawa people of Lut Whit.

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so that's the Tasmanian aboriginal people, and on their country is where I live and work, and I feel very privileged to live on that country. Tasmania is a beautiful place.

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I'll put to say that. So Today I'm presenting on some work I've done some age-friendly community work I've done.

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and if I was to sum this up. It's basically that the World Health Organization's framework is a good starting point. The problem is a lot of people use that and then don't go any further, or don't think about whether or not the framework is suitable for the context in which they're working. And so today, I'm just illustrating how that framework

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didn't necessarily work, and what I did. So it's a very much an introduction to this bigger body of work.

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there we go. So the Projects Court examining community needs and wants for an age-friendly Clarence

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funding was received from the Tasmanian Community Fund, the Clarence City Council and the Tasmanian State Government, and I also received in kind support from the Clarence City Council, as well as my University University of Tasmania. So I just want to acknowledge the funders. I want to acknowledge the Clarence City Council and their community development officers, particularly Julie Anderson.

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as some of you will know when you have an excellent Community Development Officer. It makes all the difference, and Julie is one of them. And of course all of the participants that were part of this work.

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I'm guessing with this audience. Most of you know what an age-friendly community is, but I thought I better roll out the definition from the World Health Organization, which is most commonly used, and that is, it's an inclusive and accessible community environment that optimizes opportunities for health participation and security for all people in order that quality of life and dignity are ensured as people age. And I've highlighted a few things in that quote because most of the time age-friendly strategies and initiatives just focus on older people.

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But of course, we're all aging. We're all growing older, and therefore age-friendly environments should really think about. If you like the life course, if we want to age in place and age in our communities, it needs to cater for people across the life course. So I think these are really important aspects of this particular quote that sometimes get forgotten.

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Really, part of the movement of age-friendly communities is to really frame aging

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and move beyond seeing it as an individual responsibility or an individual problem, and to acknowledge the vital and influential connections that aging has within community context and environment, that the wider society is really important for how we experience and understand aging.

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So this involves really valuing social and environmental factors that support quality of life and also community participation.

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So the who conducted back in 2,006 research in 39 cities, which are all urban environments, and across 23 developed countries to understand what age friendliness is.

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It involved? Older people, caregivers and service providers, and they are all part of focus groups that focused on 8 topics that became the basis of the World Health organization's age-friendly framework. So these domains are outdoor spaces in buildings, transportation, housing, social participation, respect and social inclusion, civic participation in employment community and information and community support and health services.

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And from these focus groups, the World health organization then developed things like checklists, indicators, supplementary and core indicators, and that was all about assisting communities being able to plan and measure their age, friendliness.

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the who considers their approach to be a bottom-up approach that involved older adults as 4 participants in the project. But I think it's very notable that the 8 domains were defined prior to these focus group sessions.

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They provided structure to the focus group sessions.

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So this means that the conversations may have been very limited and may not have explored all of those aspects of the participants may have felt and experience were part of an age-friendly community.

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and for me it also did not include younger people. It was focused on older people and things like service providers.

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So Menicat L have said, quote, are these 7, and they actually 8. But let's put that aside. Domains the right ones? Or should there be fewer domains or more domains to emphasise aspects of the community environment that otherwise might not be considered?

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Are we missing important dimensions into quote.

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It's also really important here to note that how context can alter the relevance and meanings of domains as well?

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Checklists and toolkits might not capture goodness of fit or the person environment fit.

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they can be idealistic and may not adequately, adequately capture or reflect what's actually relevant to community relying on indicators is really too simplistic when we consider context, including how our communities are always evolving and are quite dynamic.

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And I think then, it kind of undermines some of the independency and the dynamism that can exist in age-friendly initiatives and environments as well.

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So now I want to introduce you to the context which I'm working in.

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So this is the city of Clarence or the Clarence City Council. It's a local government area for some of you. This might be more called a municipality, for example, and it's located in Tasmania, Australia. And hopefully, you all know where Tasmania is on the map, where the little island at the bottom of the map of Tasmania.

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It's located across the Derwent Bridge from Hobart, which is the capital city of Tasmania, and it's linked by the Tasman breach, and you should be able to see the Tasman Bridge right in the background for those of you who might be cricket fans. I'm very aware the ashes is on at the moment. If you're into cricket, you might see there's an oval there that's Bell re oval, also known as Bloodstone Arena. So those of you who into cricket will know what that is.

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in 2,014 is when the city of Clarence became the first Tasmanian local council area to be recognised for their commitment to being an age-friendly community by the World Health Organization. There are only one of 2 in Tasmania and Clarence City Council was the first, and they've actually put historically investment into being an age-friendly community.

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So, looking at this context even more. the current city council covers 386 kilometres squared. It has a very diverse population, geography and typography.

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There's the mountains of the Mehan ranges, which are 538 meters above sea level.

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There's also 191 kilometers of coastline with over 20 beaches. So we go from 5, 38 for the mountains right down to sea level.

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There's vast bushland, or some of you might think of that as maybe forests, bushland, various throwing in.

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and bushlands cover about a third of the council area.

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There's 31 suburbs and localities. So the city of Clarence is a mix of lowlands, deep hills, or steep, for you know, Australian standards. rural environments, Perry urban environments, urban environments.

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So there's still farmland, for example, that exists in this council area as well

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and low socioeconomic suburbs as well as some very high, well-off socio-economic suburbs.

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So to be an age-friendly community.

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the Council really needs to account for this diversity in their planning and their design. And I think what's really crucial here is that what is suitable in one suburb isn't going to be suitable or appropriate in another suburb.

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So Rosney, for example, is the center of the city of Clarence, which is where all the services and facilities are.

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But that's really quite a different context to the Perry urban beachside suburb of 7 Mile Beach.

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So this contextual awareness is really vital. We need to account for the services and diverse environments within a community of interest and how that affects the living experiences within that community.

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So I'm not going to talk about the big project in detail. So I'm just going to very quickly tell you what it involved.

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I recruited younger people and older people so younger people, 14 to 24 older adults, 65 plus. They all took photographs of what they liked and disliked about their community, but they also took photographs of what they liked in other communities that they'd like to see in their community.

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I then interviewed them on their photographs, and I did not edit at all. I interviewed them on every single photograph.

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If it was relevant to them it was relevant for me to know, so I never edited some of the participants. Edited as we were talking about the photographs by their own choice.

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and then the transcripts will all analyze thematically. Now these age groups were chosen because they're the ones most likely to experience ageism.

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They're more likely to be marginalized in urban planning and design. And I was also responding to international movements to make age-friendly cities, but also elder friendly cities. But then there's also movements around child and youth, friendly cities as well.

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So that was the reason I was focusing on those particular cohorts. And when I initially started analyzing the data I did start with the who domains just to kind of see? Are these going to work and do these make sense?

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But it became very evident that it wasn't really capturing my context and what the participants were sharing.

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most of the participant responses started to fall into outdoor spaces and buildings. And this was really significant, because it meant that the significance of nuance stories around the natural environment that exist in the city of Clarence, and the meaning of that got lost in this big category of outdoor spaces and buildings.

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I also found that some of the who domains couldn't be discreetly identified in the data because they spanned across a variety of different participant interests.

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So social participation, civic participation and communication and information didn't function as categories in their own right.

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And I also found that my participants didn't talk about health enough for that to be a category in its own right, because the World Health Organization is a health organization. So of course, there's a category about health, right?

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So this was my framework, which looks rather complicated.

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I tried many, many different models, and so it took a long time to actually get to this particular framework.

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So there was 5 domains for an age-friendly clearance I identified, and these include services, facilities and development which refers to services, general infrastructure, and facilities that are provided in the city of Clarence

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by the local council, but also by businesses, organizations, non-government organizations, and so on.

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I also included arts and cultural events in this category. It was almost a separate category, because the current city council actually puts a lot of focus on those events, and they were really valued by the participants.

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The category that was really significant, that came out was natural environment and public spaces.

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Current city council, of course, has the Beachlands. It has lots to nature reserves, and so on. So this really was a strong theme, and I have a lot of photographs of beach sides and beautiful Bushland flowers, rare orchards, for example, and so on.

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So this is about what the cities are. Clarence residents access for recreation and pleasure. I included footpaths and pathways in this category because they didn't talk about it as transportation. They talked about it to do with natural environment.

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Playgrounds, skate, parks, parks, and nature reserves, beaches, and all the services that relate to this space and climate change also came in this space, which is something I haven't seen in any of the whose work. So both the older participants and the younger participants both talked about climate change.

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The next category relationships and inclusivity. And this was also a very large category. And it was about connections, attitudes, and relationships that the participants had with themselves, with other humans with animals and others in general. I've got lots of dog pitches. By the way.

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part of this category was also thinking about how social design can enable or disable these types of connections to form, such as policies and frameworks around, whether or not dogs are allowed on beaches, and when

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parking and transport is the next category, and it's about how the participants moved around internally and externally with the city at Clarence, a lot of them taking time to having to go over the bridge to go to Hobart, for example.

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So this is very much about public transport cars and parking. And again, I didn't include footpaths and pathways. In this, as I mentioned earlier.

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and the last category, which was the smallest category by far was employment, learning, and training which is about employment, learning, and training, and I included both formal and informal arrangements here, and by informal I mean things like University of the Third age or school for seniors, for example, which quite a few of the older participants talked about.

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I have 4 features which aren't domain specific, but run actually through each of these categories. So, for example, in thinking about natural environment and spaces, some of the things that I had to think about, as well as how that worked with information, communication and consultation

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programs and events. quality experiences and feelings. Feelings were really quite strong element that came out throughout the work and availability and also accessibility.

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You'll also notice there in the background. I've got age, slash life, stage and local slash context. And that was because whenever I was considering any, considering any of the data. I had to also consider those factors as well.

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So, for example, I had some older people that were semi-retired, but most of them were fully retired. But that type of life stage impacted the way that they were talking about their environment and their relationship to their environment. So that was a really important thing to really consider when I was looking at the data

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and context and low cow. This is where the nuance really came in and became quite complicated in doing this, research became important in thinking about H friendliness. And I just want to give you an example.

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So this is the suburb of Bell Reeve. you'll see this was captured in the photo before this area because you can see Blundstone arena there in the Google map.

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Now, this is an area that can get quite steep.

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So we've got a beach right down here at the bottom. That yellow shading along the foreshore there. But then it goes up to Waverley Floral Park at the top, which is a very steep area. So up there my participants were talking about how their 0 bus service and they were concerned, as they were growing older. Whether or not they could actually age in place, age in the house that they lived in.

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they would talk about wanting to stay in the community, but ideally not leaving that house. No bus services at the top there.

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as you come down the heel a little bit. There's a steep but irregular bus service. I then had someone who lived along near the main road and talked about how the bus surface was excellent, and it was easy to get around. But of course that's the main road with a bus service, and it's pretty flat.

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And then it came down to the bluff area, which is

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what's in my bottom left. It's in your bottom, right? steep sections a little bit up and down, quite uneven in there, and there's an irregular bus service. So whenever I was analyzing the data, I couldn't say, Bell Reeve has an excellent bus service. I had to really keep in mind the typography that we're talking about where the participants lived, and how that would influence their experience of living in this particular suburb, which is a high socio-economic suburb in general.

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So this is why I kind of say, context within context becomes really important. We have to drill down to the nuances.

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So this was very much a bottom up approach. It was influenced very much by some desires that were brought forward to me by the Clarence positive aging network. So a group of older citizens who really wanted to see this work done. And so I built it with them. They actually said to me, we know that you do photo voice methods for this project. So it was very much driven by their interests.

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and it takes time. It takes time to build those relationships. And then also then build relationships with community as well. So top down approaches that you typically see for age-friendly initiatives.

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I can understand that it's easier. You've got a framework, you roll it out. You've got a toolkit. You've got checklist, you check things off.

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but it may not actually represent the citizen views or the diversity of citizens within that environment.

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There's a real importance to be sensitive to context. So my context was a local city council area. But then I needed to be sensitive to the suburbs within that context, but then also, then sensitive to the neighbourhoods and even the streets that were within that context to really understand the information that I was getting from participants.

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So there is a need to really be flexible and responsive for community. And I hope you can see with my framework what I was really doing is responding to to community rather than trying to implement a framework. And I also did test that framework out with the participants. We had a little workshop near the end, and I showed them the framework, and we had discussions about whether or not. They thought that worked. And if it made sense for what they shared.

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So the full port report is available from the Tasmanian Community Fund website, I've got the link on the slide. I've also done like a little QR code if you want to access it. But for those of you who have access to the app or the conference website. I've also uploaded the full report there as well.

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So thank you.

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Thank you very much. Me that I really enjoy the work, not just criticizing the the concept, but also proposing how to do it differently, that it's very valuable. Any comments? suggestions?

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Yes, yeah.

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Hi, Peter, thank you. That was so interesting. I guess this is a

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this is, I guess, a question about, because I'm relatively new to age work. It strikes me that there are a lot of overlap with how those spaces would be perceived by people with disabilities, which is where my work is mostly from, and I was just wondering. I guess if you could just speak to that or point me in the direction of is there some work that looks at those overlights, particularly in terms of

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accessibility, steepness, public transport.

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which are often the things that come out for people about spaces if they have disabilities. Yeah, thank you. That's a very, very good one. And certainly there's a lot of stuff here that overlaps with some of those movements as well. So you'll be really interested in the kind of inclusive society's accessible society's movements, and I do have a colleague that's working in that space at the moment, so I can give you her name and information as well.

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Certainly there's overlaps here, but I think, and I like to think an age-friendly community is an accessible community.

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But I must say

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we can't just think that one equals the other. It's not necessarily always the same. I do take the position, though, that an accessible community is one that is going to be age-friendly. It's just an age-friendly community isn't necessarily an accessible community.

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 so I think if we can, that's the thing I'm also interested into is the way that these 2 things can overlap and perhaps work together to create communities which are better for all of us. I think a lot of those features which are about inclusive or accessible communities are just good design

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than sensible design. Full. Stop.

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Thank you for the wonderful presentation. I was wondering, Beyond, but enhanced bus service. If you could give us an idea of what some of the other things that people wanted to see changed.

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There's so much I could tell you, so I'll just try and keep it very, very brief.

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I will say bus services are shocking in Tasmania full stop. So it's not surprising that came up. And in Tasmania that's the only besides taxis and ubers. That's the only public transport we have. So a good bus service is actually pretty vital. but it's a small state in comparison to places like New South Wales and Victoria, so it doesn't have the resources and infrastructure that other states have.

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one that really comes to mind when I'm thinking about things like parking and transport are things like

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 accessible parking spaces.

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So there's a lot of places where you have one accessible parking space, you know, marked with the disability wheelchair symbol.

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But of course, as our population ages. We're going to need more and more of those. The local shopping centre, the Rosney shopping centre. It has some parking spaces right up near the door, which are called seniors parking.

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and are specifically there for for seniors to parking, and that was an initiative set up between the Council and also the shopping centre. But of course that's rare. And again, it doesn't necessarily mean there's a lot of spaces. I think there's 3 spaces with a couple of accessibility parking spaces. So that was one thing that participants brought up. And I do remember one photograph that they gave me of the accessible parking space with Willie bins in it.

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So rubbish been sorry. Just did an Australianism.

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Clearly there needs to be more thought and more planning around that. Talking about dogs. Dogs came up a lot, so I'll just give dogs as well. So one thing with dogs that came up is

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there's a huge amount of dog ownership in the city of Clarence. So dogs are really important to people, and even participants who didn't have dogs were taking photographs of dogs and talking about how the dogs actually facilitate relationship building and connections with other people, because you can always go up and ask if you can pat the dog. And that way you can connect to people. So it wasn't just connecting to the animal, but also connecting to the human behind the animal.

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So with lots of beaches, there are some restrictions about dogs. So there are some beaches where dogs are only allowed to go between 10 Am. And I think 3 P. M.

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During the months which aren't summer.

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and so immediately that's coming up as being an issue. For, for example, people with disabilities who can't necessarily get up early or get moving early, or some of the older participants talked about how it's difficult to get up early to go for a walk, so that starts to restrict possibilities. And one of the things participants were talking about. And this had to do with Bell Reef Beach actually is as a section that they agree that dogs shouldn't go because there are some

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wildlife there that need to be protected and looked after.

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But the other side they couldn't understand why. There's these really weird restrictions put in place, and a temporal relate to particular times of year and seasons of the year. But then there's other beaches where the dogs are allowed to essentially go at any time a year and be off lead, for example. So there's these things that came up quite a lot. And, as I said, there's a lot more I could talk about because it was. It's quite a long report.

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One of the mistakes I made with the report is, I did write a very long report, and I should have probably edited it a bit. But I wanted to really give the Council a lot of information. So

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the dogs just reminded me, we are using with our students of social gerontology. This age suits to kind of make them more empathetic for for us to ag. Anybody may change. It works very well, and one of the activities he asked them to do is to collect

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the dog poop in this suit. We, of course, are using just the dock poop bags, and I form the pen instead of the poop.

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just to be clear. But just the difficulty is to bump down and collect after the it's quite a witness to be a challenge. So just it reminded me of this activity. If dogs are very prominent, how this is taken care of.

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Yeah, I don't know if you want to comment on that. It was just an I don't really want to talk about dog poo to great. Let me have a deal if there are no other like official questions. thank you once again, for for for

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Satu Heikkinen: thank you. Thank you for a great presentation. I really really loved it, and I also really love that you had interviewed both a younger and older adults.

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Satu Heikkinen: I I wonder if that did you see? some kind of differences between?

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Satu Heikkinen: There are answers. And yeah.

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Satu Heikkinen: that's what. I wonder. Thank you.

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Yeah, thank you for that. I mean one thing with having younger people and older people in that I was oh, you want me to click that. Okay?

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Oh, there we go I can see people again. one thing that came up or sorry. One thing I was really interested in was to have a look at whether or not there were differences between older adults and younger people, or whether or not there'd be similarities. And actually, there's a lot of similarities. There wasn't many differences actually, and some of the differences had more to do with life stage one

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rather than being an younger person or an older person. So to go with with transport again, because it's the one that's really in my head.

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some of the younger people had problems because they might work at night time, for example, in a casual job. But the bus services wouldn't run at night time

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so suddenly. There was the case of How do they get to into the city at Hobart, where most employment is

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when

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the bus services aren't running. And, as I said, that's the only public transport besides taxis and Ubers within within Tasmania.

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So they talked a lot about having to rely on family to drive them, and how that reduced their feeling of independence by having to do that.

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So, and also the University campuses are located on the other side of the river as well. So then, that brought up some dilemmas around movement as well.

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And of course the younger people were very focused on future employment. That was another thing that they were talking about, so that, of course, was different to the older people. But one thing that they had in common that I thought was really interesting is both the younger people and older people talked about climate change as being important, but the way they talked about it was different. So the younger people talked about climate change more in a broad sense

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when I found that the older participants were taking photographs of things in the city of Clarence that they notice had changed, such as erosion at the beaches, saying and talking about climate change. So I thought that was very interesting to me. It showed that there's that shared interest across the generations. It's just the way they talk about it and relate to it is a little bit different, based upon essentially years of living in that environment.

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But there's more in the report, but that's a a brief insight. So thank you. Thank you.

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It will give us a chance to grab a very quick lunch and come back here in a half an hour for our last session on retirement. So everybody is very much invited, and thank you once again for a decision, for all the presenters, apologies for all the technical hips. I wouldn't expect them in the end of conference, but I've made them have a

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so thank you once again very much and enjoy the rest of the array.

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