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Thank you. Everybody for being here. online or offline. So we this, we are approaching the end of the conference. So let's make it a good one. And Beyond the greedy family is actually

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an idea that we want to work on and to to transform into a book proposal. So it it needs a lot of work. It is still in the brainstorm phase, and I'm working on that with Yan Ya Vuga, who is the next on the presentation list.

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and who will? Do the the following presentation, and Yan Yan is from Slovenia, and in this session we have a presentations from South Africa, and also from Barbara's artists from from Turkey. I hope everybody is here.

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and then Let's go on with the show. Beyond the greedy institution. Well, the the term greedy institution is familiar to to the most of you, and it is a very old concept already, because it it is from the years from the seventies, and it was introduced by Lewis Kosher. And now I want to see hands. Who who has read

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the book? Greedy Institutions by Louisiana, who has really read it? I want to see enhance. Okay.

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yeah, yeah, that's that's already very good. But this is such a lovely book. I can recommend this book because this book tells you about how greedy institutions work.

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and it has examples

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from many parts of society, like the sect on Waco, where you have this religious sect that goes totally bananas, and which kill themselves in the ends. So the greedy institution is so greedy that people kill themselves. It has also a chapter on the metres of of Louisiana and Louisiana, and Louis says.

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and well, the matesse is a greedy institution, because it's not only a lady of pleasure for the king, but it's also a political institution.

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So Like

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All all these matrices. they had really a lot of political influence.

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and the the simple reason why they had influence was because they were totally devoted to the king.

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And this this strong connection to the King. This total devotion, makes makes it an interesting institution.

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The Armed forces are also a greedy institution, and they demand, The full attention of the soldier! And that's what makes the armed forces a very strong institution, a very strong organization.

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because I can ask a soldier to work 24 h.

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That's that's I can from a normal employee. I cannot ask, well, it's 9 to 5. And then, okay, everybody says, by it's weekend, and that's That's what what the normal thing is. So that that's the idea. Now, the difficulty here is that

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something. I'm I

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And the interesting is that when maybe Siegel took up the the concept. she brought in. The the the dualism between the military family on the one hand, and the mid, the greedy organization, on the other hand, so the family is also greedy, but because there are children they are hungry, they need feeding, they need their diapers cleaned, they, that's all all those feet. So the family is also a greedy institution. So there is a tension.

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Now, this is this. This is maybe interesting, because, you see the the flashes going out and in. You have, like a a greedy, Century centrifugal part, that is, when when the organization is greedy and the family is greedy, and then the soldier is torn apart.

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the other, the other flesh. Is that that it is more soldier concentrated, that is century petal. It can also be directed at families.

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and it can also be directed at organizations. But the interesting, the one, the one above the century. Google is the most interesting. And I did not make this term up by myself. This is an a term term by Jurgen harbourmos in his Structures of infantly kite the publicity. But public life.

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And in this this book, He described how people are torn apart because the state is getting stronger, but also a private life is getting stronger. So that is interesting, and that brings that brings a different kind of tension in this concept.

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Now this, this still is a dyadic thing, but it is much more interesting to see this problem as a triach and in a in in this way, as a lattice work of tensions.

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And then you can see that. well, it's it's always a dynamic system, and it can. It can change is sometimes the one gets the upper hand and the the other one gets the upper hand, and well, maybe maybe the families are getting the upper hand, and they are the the the rejoicing first

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and Sometimes the organization is the re rejoicing, for so that is a more interesting way to look at it.

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And the thing is that the concept of greedy families is outdated. It is, it is kind of old, it you can still use it. It's still interesting.

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but it is old, and we need to reconsider the concept.

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and we need to reconsider research into this world. And you can see it because this is an old, old definition from 2,010 by Manon umres, and she defines a military family as a couple with or without children, or which at least one of the partners serves in the armed armed forces, but also parents of a soldier are considered to be part of the military

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family that you get into trouble with the veterans act. relationship, the spouse, registered partner, or other life companions and relatives by blood or marriage in the first and second degree.

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that

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this this, of course, is very old, because it does not account for gay couples. It does not

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account for. Binary people! Single parent families, transgenerational families transgender families, and so on. And so All the family types that we have nowadays! They are so much changed

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that this concept of the greedy family

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more pro problematic. So you have to to do more more research into networks, into family models in in the strength through weak ties so the the way that people connect, and the way that they interchange things.

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and not

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the traditional family, because all the care the care that that the Armed forces provide

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is simply based on very traditional families. And nowadays Traditional families, they do not exist

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in research that we did on also a manvella is all is in this research also. We had examples of people who said, Well, what kind of family do you live in. I don't live in a family. I live in a commune. And this was a soldier in a kind of living group.

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which is which is difficult to define. Because, okay, then how does it work? Exactly. But but it's This respondent did live in a living group in a short sort of commune system or something However, it works out, I don't know but but it, it proved that our categories are not working anymore, because people do not abide to categories. They don't want to be

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into a single category.

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So that is what makes it difficult. So we we should do more research into power, how how power-related rations are working

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into greedy, greedy families as as a phenomenon greedy work organizations work, family conflict, and not to see everything as a 0 sum game. So that's what it is.

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It can look like this. it. It's it's different kind of organizations, different kind of consolation, different different kind of figurations. So that that is one approach.

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And well, we did some preliminary research into work. Family conflict. I I will skip a lot of things because they are actually quite boring. Maybe I don't know But the interesting thing is that

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work. Family conflict does have a enormous impact. And when you look into well-being, into retention, then this, this, this is a slight explaining retention. Then you see that work, family balance and family work balance? Are very important for for Retention, for example.

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That's only one example to to look at it, and there will be much more. Examples in this session also, because, like

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Ayalla is doing research into war widows, which is with a totally different thing. But Iallas! Research into war widows is a good example of what we are meaning here, because

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it is a different kind of tension, a different kind of relation.

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And it is just as political as you can think. It is because Also war biddles are not only bereaved, but they are also complainants in the direction of the state. So there's an interesting

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political side

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to intimate family life. So

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family life is political. So okay, we'll skip this also, because I have. I understand that I only have 1 min left. So that's a

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So families change.

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traditional families are command households, and nowadays we will have negotiation households. So everything that happens is a negotiation.

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and it it gives a different kind of approach informal and more egalitarian, and but also a more room for horizontal leadership. So the commander of a battalion

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will not be the horizontal chief that leads his Indians, because that that will probably not work will not do the trick.

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Okay. that was my last slide.

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Thank you very much. Thank you very much.

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Ok. Now we go to the next presentation, and I hope that

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Yoga is ready. Let's give the floor back to the chair person.

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Thank you, Rene, and and we will take the questions and and discussion after all the presentations. And our second, presenter is

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Yan ya Buka bears not. Are you there online?

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Ferme, Gašper: Hello! actually, I will be presenting instead of I have to. I'm co-author of the study, and I have to excuse her because she is unable to attend. Unfortunately.

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if that's fine with you.

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Ferme, Gašper: can I, maybe share it on my screen.

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Ferme, Gašper: okay.

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Ferme, Gašper:  Do you see it?

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Yes, we see it.

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Ferme, Gašper: It's okay.

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Thank you. Yeah.

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Ferme, Gašper: So thank you very much.

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Ferme, Gašper: hello, everybody. My name is Josh. But for me I come from the Defense Research Center of University of Social Sciences, and today are presenting the study.

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Ferme, Gašper: Now we conducted the sources of support in the Slovenian military families, ecosystem.  so it just begin. So

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Ferme, Gašper: my colleagues have previously developed and tested on a theoretical models and defined respectors for mental health of military families on various levels.

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Ferme, Gašper: So the model assumes that each identified the physical and mental health out outcome is in place by risk factors and more and more. So they held out. How we addressed in our study was, we did the impression, and I will dwell into this later. So, as I said.

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Ferme, Gašper: my colleagues explain the identified, the risk factor models for military families. so on the individual levels, then, that the 5 risk factors were

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Ferme, Gašper: gender apple for me is use of depression. In the micro system there were 4 groups, family as a source of stress work, environment, parental stress and or financial institution.

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Ferme, Gašper: So on the mezzo system. We identified work, family conflict and spouse unemployment and on the macro level we concentrated on on deployment and daily long distance community.

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Ferme, Gašper: So these described model, as you see on the on the slide, only takes into account risk factors, however, military families are also impacted by protective factors with the main function to reduce the impact of risks. So for more in that analysis, we made up upgrade containing theory supported protective factors

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Ferme, Gašper: from thus the purpose of the study I'm presenting here today was to observe expected changes in the risk factor model when also accounting for protective factors. So specifically, I said, we analyze the impact of protective factors on depression. And

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Ferme, Gašper: it is the

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Ferme, Gašper: so first about some key supports sources of support. So, as we all know, mental health is a fundamental aspect of our overall. Being so, it is crucial to recognize and utilize various support mechanism and assure mental stability and the resilience

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Ferme, Gašper: so engaging in physically physical activities, like sports, alleviate stress, society and depression. But it not does not only help in the move to

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Ferme, Gašper: elevation, but participating of the creativity for social interaction and building a sense of

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Ferme, Gašper: community. moreover, a personal relationship.

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Ferme, Gašper: I have a profound also for different from mental health.

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Ferme, Gašper: when it comes to spousal relationships, so support and communication are the tailors. So a strong support system provides a some sort of a safety net. So finally, a significant sorry portion of our daily lives is

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Ferme, Gašper: what. So it is vital. We foster a positive and supporting environment that, it helps reduce work, related stress and decrease the job satisfaction.

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Ferme, Gašper: So from this, here we face the

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Ferme, Gašper: protective

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Ferme, Gašper: factors we developed, and the following research question. So at the which a social ecological level do the

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Ferme, Gašper: erez agmoni risk factors to the greatest degree, and are so the most beneficial for military family of mental health. And from these research questions we derived for 150,

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Ferme, Gašper: the 6 hypothesis.

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Ferme, Gašper: So the first one relates to

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Ferme, Gašper: support steaming from me for work environment. The second one is support saving from me for a micro family level. the third one is spousal support, and the for this community support

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Ferme, Gašper: the fifties. Institutional support from Slovenian armed forces. and the Sixth is support, the right for national family policies and

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Ferme, Gašper: and the labor labor legislation.

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Ferme, Gašper: So about some words about sample characteristics and the data collection. So we carried out a survey during the pandemic lockdown, which made, of course, face to face, survey that collection at the barracks, if possible.

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Ferme, Gašper: So the question is, what distributed and completed electronically via a survey service we opted for a non-probability quote Assembly defining the quotas based on our research focus. for the gender structure, it observed population and the number of children in the.

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Ferme, Gašper: So this sampling strategy and proportionally reflect the key characteristics of the military population

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Ferme, Gašper: that is, gender and number 2

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Ferme, Gašper: and for spouses we applied the non-probability purpose of sampling the sampling to focus does correspond to characteristics of the military population. So in Slovenian armed forces, around 83% of of service members are male and the 70%, 17% are a female.

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Ferme, Gašper: we received questionnaire responses from 368 service member and 92 spouses making up the total synthesizer, a sample size of 460 respondents based on that we calculated 14 aggression models

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Ferme, Gašper: So the indexes representing mental health outcomes, that is, Pd impression were calculated, based on the originally measured scales you could see here on the right table.

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Ferme, Gašper: so to identify the importance and strength of the support family meet. Your family gets from different sources we needed to observe the differences in the right, the basic risk factor models model, but also when adding in productive factors.

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Ferme, Gašper: So the aim was to evaluate how the mental health risk are influenced by support factors originating from micro what

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Ferme, Gašper: work environment my family. environment, my spouse up mezzo community micro institutional and micro national policies. So we measured the the following indexes, you can see on the lab. You can see here,

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Ferme, Gašper: here on the

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Ferme, Gašper: the most important support factors based on mean value of responses on a 5 point liquor scales. Well, support for the spouse command from commander, from co-workers met for level on the mesa level.

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Ferme, Gašper: it's financially available, this extra to literal activities for children

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Ferme, Gašper: and on the Micro Level High Quality Public School and preschool system. it's deriving from the national legislation and no cost to military apartments outside

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Ferme, Gašper: So if we now turn to the analysis, we can based our analysis on this

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Ferme, Gašper: basic respect to the model. It was statistically significant. once again, to clear our purposes, to observe, expect the changes in the previously established model when accounted for protective factors separately on each social, ecological level.

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Ferme, Gašper: Firstly, we have to perform the 2 basic respective regression models, one Ptsd and 1 s for the pressures you could see here the smallest on the smallest

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Ferme, Gašper: a circle, and in the next step 6 to Level 5 are the analysis for for for Ptsd and 6 for a depression

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Ferme, Gašper: for the sake of presentation. The 2 separate models here are combined. But just

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Ferme, Gašper: to be clear models, you can see one a one B, one C, one d. One. You've been up. One you, one F. 4 Ptsd, and the 2 a, 2 B, 2 C, 2D, 2 e, 2 f with for

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Ferme, Gašper: So in general, the analysis revealed that it is not possible to pinpoint one, a particular type of support as a definitive contributor to reducing Pts in depression. But a study has been observed that I, diverse range of protective factors, can exhibit a positive effects of different kind of mental health issues.

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Ferme, Gašper: If we dwell into into a specific support originating from the micro work. Environment helps mitigate the adverse effects of

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Ferme, Gašper: certain risk factors. So when employees receive support to the workflow workplace. The toll of health issues on Ptsd is less than, and the specific challenges both by military work environments of Pt. They are also offset. Additionally, this support plays a role in reducing the strain caused by apparently stress, so support derive from micro-family level highlights

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Ferme, Gašper: the significance of having a supporting spouse. Of course

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Ferme, Gašper: it is special in the context of gender differences. What is what is interesting is that women seem to be better equipped to handle Ptsd.

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Ferme, Gašper: And the family role is also underlying by the observation that the strain the family relations can can exacerbate both depression and further, more poor family relations can also indirectly intensify the impact of financial stress on the pressure.

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Ferme, Gašper: but conversely, support from a spouse and also alleviate Ptsd

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Ferme, Gašper: and family support can less than the impact of stress on the pressure. So if you turn to the Meso community level, so community supports effectively counterbalances the fact of stress from the workplace on Ptsd, and additionally, it plays a role in diminishing the impact of

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Ferme, Gašper: parental stress on depression. What's more.

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Ferme, Gašper: community supports also has a moderating effect on this adverse influence of depression on Ptsd.

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Ferme, Gašper: now, the macro level, the finding regarding the institutional support from the Slovenian armed forces indicate that it has a tangible effect on Ptsd, but not on the pressure

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Ferme, Gašper: so specifically institutional support, not only reduces the incidence of Ptsd, but it also enhances working condition to the extent that they no longer contribute to.

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Ferme, Gašper: No.

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Ferme, Gašper: Lastly, the support that national level which encompasses brought a micro, micro, policies have been found to exert a positive difference in mitigating a Ptsd, but it didn't exhibit a similar effect on on depression.

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Ferme, Gašper: So the analysis underscore that this comprehensive national policies are

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Ferme, Gašper: are instrumental in in lessening it is the among military companies.

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Ferme, Gašper: So here, just to be clear the term national policies, the compasses, both familiar and labeled labor related policies as well as as aspects, different aspects of a producing living environment which includes successful housing, education, health, care, and so on.

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Ferme, Gašper: In the context of depression. These micro level national policies

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Ferme, Gašper: in our study do not seem to build actually any substantial.

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Ferme, Gašper: turn back to our hypothesis, we therefore found that hypothesis 2, 3, and 4 can be informed in full. So this positive impact of support and reducing the impact of risk factors will recognize for our family spouse. So that's community support. For the other hand. hypothesis 1, 5, and 6 were only a part partially confirmed.

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Ferme, Gašper: this differing social ecological levels alleviate a Ptsd and depression. so not to be the main findings. Well.

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Ferme, Gašper: then, that for Ptsd, we found that spouses support at the micro level and institutional support micro levels are particularly vital.

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Ferme, Gašper: So Amen. to manage mental health challenges. And additionally, we.

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Ferme, Gašper:  the adverse effects of parental stress on mental health are lesson. But when military families receive a more comprehensive support system, which, on the one hand, family, it's also in that workplace. And, on the other hand, the community it's going to support.

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Ferme, Gašper: If we turn to the institutional framework support from the Slovenian armed forces reduces Ptsd to the extent that the work environment no longer serves

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Ferme, Gašper: as a risk factor but supported the national national national policies. It's in itself a contributor. So it independently contributes to reducing

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Ferme, Gašper: On the other hand, so conversely, the influence of protective factors on depression were found to be relatively limited. Nevertheless, our findings mainly indicate that

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Ferme, Gašper: for family relations and financial instability are contributors to heightened levels of depression.

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Ferme, Gašper: so, and community services play a role in mitigating parental stress, which in turn reduces the severity of a potential depression.

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Ferme, Gašper: so thank you very much. that was all for me. I hope I was. actually, I was on time. And I hope it was clear enough.

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Ferme, Gašper: Thank you.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: he said. Are you online? Yes, I am.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: Yes, I'm online. Good morning. Yeah, it's morning in South Africa. Yeah. So, I would. I would like to share my screen.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: all right. Yeah. So my name is I'm with the department of. And now we're talking on the topic. Then beyond the great institution.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: yeah, so my work is focused on my job military windows, and I'm military wives with as well currently deployed.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: And then this.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: colleagues and another. Another members of the military family set up

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: like what I'm military families, the Nigeria military is.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: It's a pretty. It's a great institution, and our by the sacrifice of service. actually the benefit of them to and their families. So what I mean is,

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: once we just die, and their families are utterly compensated, and even when they do go through different challenges in case they are compensation. So from this

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: members of the Nigerian military, they think that the benefit of service. It's not a

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: The sacrifices they they have to give in security in the United States.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: Yeah. So in this discussion, I I look at our

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: The greediness of the of the of the Nigerian military. I look at how they all these families deal with the amount of

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: So to the with the book around our bill. It's families understand the meaning of this debt? what it also means for the social legitimacy of to type out great institutions like the Nigerian military. Yeah. So I have to also mentioned that this is also a work in progress.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: of course, data for someone. To some my data, also some interviews score conducted during the session on military videos of the book around the German juices of the book around conflict.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: while I also add some conversations with some military wives to also understand how they deal with the greediness of the military institution. what are they? What? What do they leverage on?

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: what I'm pretty military, greedy institutions are so, but what I would like to see in the case of Nigerian military is that

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: Yeah. So what do we know about the yeah. So I'm I believe we are most.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: in a new in the internal security operation, and us accounted for the most death of so jazz and both independence. Nigeria.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: Yeah. So an estimated 10,000 soldiers have that in this conflict.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: of course, and by the and that also created an unprecedented number of military will do is in the in Germany, if you community. and then, as many of us. You agree the challenges of getting access to official military.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: I'm being able to also see this with the exact number. But for my interactions with.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: the number of suggests who have died, I would say it is from hundreds to to thousands of of of this women.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: not so typical military wives, who are invited by the conflict of experience, difficulties assessing the benefits of of their husbands. And so this is one way in which they are also in contact the

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: I'll be a challenging getting the benefits is always a very difficult challenge. So they also know posts from what we've been support within the military community. So oftentimes we do is gone through. Families don't really charge religion now

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: now for the wires on the other, and they also been back by the wall in in various ways fields with multiple deployments. And there are multiple.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: So I will begin with out of the military videos and get give me a chance to to.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: No, so military. We do engage with the I mean within a I mean in a lemonade capacity, because they are neither military.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: Oh, what's civilian? And they also imagine how to their situation, so they engage the military through the body. They are attached to their husbands that are sacrifices.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: There are many of them remember some or commemoration ceremonies, and the and in and the negotiation of

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: So through the of the husband, sacrifices in in both private and public species.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: So Through this, in my discussion to someone with the windows throughout during my future, when we discuss about the what of the updates? And how do they? How do they think about that? Why, some of them

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: some of them because of the way in which the dates were communicated. The post and development was also managed. They first let down by the by the country. Their husbands died for? No, the why against Thequar is happens in the development and the remote part of the country, not just to Nigeria.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: And so, because this we do, some of the others at the platform, all parts of the country. To some we do. They feel like the geography is so much for.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: She discovered that as a 5 distance, you know, discovered that it that in a very far place which, compared to our location in South Western Nigeria from the

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: So she was only present at the at the barrier, and after the I I she mentioned that the last time she went to visit just went to zoom. That's been a room which weeds, and all of that. So all of those informed

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: because it's going to also affect the relationship with the institution. So they are that prefer to use informal approaches to to engage?

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: which, especially between us. So your own recognition of sacrifices. So and this has also impacted all the contact.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: membership of office, as well as association, to cook with the challenge of of deployment and a military service.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: We didn't see it as a good institution that's used to adequately your contents on one of the sacrifices of 7. And this system personnel.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: 7 ways on the other, and I will have my interaction, and so they do not have enough leverage to maintain a distant relationship with the Ministry Institution as opposed to military.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: We do. Yeah, thank you very much.

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Thank you for your interesting presentation as well, and then we will have embarrassed. Yeah, this.

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Barış Ateş: yes, I am here. Good afternoon.

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From the Turkish National Defense University, please. The floor is yours.

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Barış Ateş: Thank you very much.

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Barış Ateş: I think you can see my slide pick.

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Barış Ateş: So. My topic. It does not seem relevant to this session.

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Barış Ateş: because to conduct research on military families. First, we need to have a least robust.

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Barış Ateş: The search community are familiar and at the same time willing to conduct military sociological research. And this is what we are trying to do at the moment

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Barış Ateş: in Turkey, and in this presentation you will see the details of the development or late development of midday sociology, and related a aspects. And hopefully we will clarify

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Barış Ateş: the position of military sociology more at the end of the presentation.

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Barış Ateş: first, let's look at the foundation of Turkey sociology. As you see, it's fairly early in 1,914. The first sociology department in Istanbul University was established.

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Barış Ateş: and we are engaged in conducting this kind of research. They published a

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Barış Ateş: scholarly journals, conferences, organize or build societies, but none of them included a research on the military itself.

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Barış Ateş: and there are a couple of reasons behind this lack of research. The first one, Bureaucratic secrecy or military bureaucratic secrets, and this is the most persistent or

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Barış Ateş: That's why even some of the scholars want to to conduct research on the military.

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Barış Ateş: Because of that secrecy they refrain to do so, and at the end the military and Academia.

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Barış Ateş: We are located on a distant parts of the Institutional cooperation?

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Barış Ateş: There was an exception that is military psychology, and it took 2 years for me to find out why they emphasized, or they always a provided

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Barış Ateş: a space for military psychology in the military schools curriculum. And finally, we found out that during 19 twenties and thirties.

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Barış Ateş: materials, shortcomings, I mean the weapon systems. Even the basic equipment, were

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Barış Ateş: decided to emphasize or focus on the non-physical aspects of the military. For example, a war, fighting, motivation, heroism, and this kind of values, and they believe the military size of psychology was the perfect tool

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Barış Ateş: And another reason behind the lack of research on the military sociology.

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Barış Ateş: of the society, or some part of the society people still. And in today also, it's very still. Believe that it

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Barış Ateş: sociology and socialism. You cool each other so.

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Barış Ateş: And all of a sudden, whenever they hear the name sociology.

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Barış Ateş: despite. But despite this pessimistic picture.

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Barış Ateş: there are some up and downs, and the most interesting one, a a book published in 1,939, and they say, on the sociology of the military, and this is the exact or literally translated meaning of the cover. You can see the book cover on the right hand side.

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Barış Ateş: A second Lieutenant, Military Academy graduate wrote that book.

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Barış Ateş: but we are not able to find what was his motivation, how he came up with this naming, because at the time, as you know even the military sociology was not existent in its birthplace.

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Barış Ateş: So we try to reach his family, or we conduct some research on the military ends.

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Barış Ateş: Government archives, but not in font. At the end of the day we have only a guess or a speculation.

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Barış Ateş: So when he was a military credit in new to high school and later met Academy. There were a couple of courses named me to psychology. Probably.

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Barış Ateş: he thought, if there is military psychology, why not? Don't we have military sociology

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Barış Ateş: in his book he tried to.

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Barış Ateş: Built a parallel between regiment and military families, so the regiment commander was the father

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Barış Ateş: His soldiers, like his father, behaves his children. But apart from that lack of methodology and a proper use of references or some other problems. It's a full, full full, full of visual thinking.

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Barış Ateş: That's why, at the end of the day he he lost his

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Barış Ateş: evaluate, or Ss. This was an opportunity to establish Church military sociology, but it was confined to military establishment even within the military establishment. It was a limited distribution.

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Barış Ateş: and also he did not have any any academic mentorship or cooperation.

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Barış Ateş: So this is a lesson from the past for us to have

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Barış Ateş: proper civil, military, or academic military cooperation to build the current Turkish military sociology.

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Barış Ateş: So after this book. until 1,971.

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Barış Ateş: There wasn't any single military sociology course in the curriculum of military schools, or even the other universities

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Barış Ateş: the one in 1971 was a basic sociology course, which included, you know, terminology or some basic theories. But again, the military was not the subject of the sociology. The soldiers at the time.

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Barış Ateş: I believe.

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Barış Ateş: Offic, of course, should know sociology in order to understand the society, but not the military itself. That's why, again, it did not work.

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Barış Ateş: and I will talk about a couple of studies, occasional studies, and interestingly, most serious or comprehensive ones, came from the journalists who have sociology background. The first one on the left hand side.

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Barış Ateş: That book published 86 and later 1991, translated into to inclusion. It's still very valuable research on the officer core. Somehow he he got, or he update permission from the military to conduct research on major schools and in some headquarters. But this was just a one time permission

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Barış Ateş: the other one on the right hand side. Again, another journalist

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Barış Ateş: of course there are some other studies. But I'm just mentioning the most important ones.

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Barış Ateş: and the significant step took place in 2,003. Thanks to Cadirova and the Miss, we are the 2 soldier scholars from the Turkish nation defense. So at the time

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Barış Ateş: they were in contact with some sociologists from the U.S.A. Or Europe, you see the some names on the right hand side and 2,004 R. C. 0. One inter meeting took place in on as well.

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Barış Ateş: These 2 events increase the

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Barış Ateş: a awareness from the military about military sociology. But again.

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Barış Ateş: after a couple of years, it was still, it was simply forgotten.

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Barış Ateş: and 2,005 very late translation of the Huntington Soldier and the State, and we are still waiting for the translation of Janovic's book.

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Barış Ateş: and the call for your handbook, translated in 2,017. As you see, it is again very late translation. and finally 2,022. I published a first text Turkish textbook on military sociology.

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Barış Ateş: This

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Barış Ateş: book really took attention from all over the society and the military decision-makers.

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Barış Ateş: but this awareness did not turn into practice at the moment. We are still working on it.

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Barış Ateş: and finally, after 2,016 music, who attempt the all the military schools were united under the Turkish nation, Defense University.

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Barış Ateş: and 2,017 meters, sociology, Ma and doctoral programs. And we're established at the Atlantic Nation. Authentic strategic research into the Istanbul.

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Barış Ateş: Both these

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Barış Ateş: professors and the students are mixed groups, soldiers and civilians. We are trying to get more.

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Barış Ateş: let's say, students from the civilian side, because we want to

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Barış Ateş: involve all the civilian universes, or a couple of Swedish universes into the sociological research. But this is, it will take some time.

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Barış Ateş: Almost all the topics are not research. There are some common or cooperation

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Barış Ateş: in the past, especially in the 2,000. For example, I remember one of them a comparing touch, and a Turkish soldiers with the cooperation of touch and Turkish

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Barış Ateş: scholars. But that's it. Then, afterwards we do not have any kind of cooperation. Hopefully, in the future this type of cooperation will increase.

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Barış Ateş: The biggest challenge at the moment is the research permission. So the military itself. They built the

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Barış Ateş: immediately sociology department, and they allowed us to build the Ma and Phd programs. But whenever we try to conduct empirical research within the troops, we say A big No.

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Barış Ateş: that's why almost all the all our students, Ma. And Phd students. They try to conduct research with their close circle. You know, they in immediate environment, or they conduct research with the

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Barış Ateş: veterans because they do not have. Those are not related to get permissions from the High Command.

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Barış Ateş: This is related to the ongoing operations and some other aspects. Hopefully, in the future. It will be easy to get this kind of research permissions. and at the moment there are only 2 civilian universities in Turkey who provide military sociology, basic courses at the graduate level.

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Barış Ateş: Hopefully, this number will increase in the future.

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Barış Ateş: So to sum up in terms of institution, nice institutional per structure, we have them.

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Barış Ateş: But we still like a sufficient number of professors or schoolers who are familiar with this. Yeah.

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discipline.

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Barış Ateş: And we have increasing interest from society. But that did not turn into a practice at the moment. Also, the Junior mit religious, since they are engaging

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Barış Ateş: a operational duty, is more than the senior leaders

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Barış Ateş: they are, they are willing to conduct research or a love loving to that research in their units.

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Barış Ateş: And hopefully in the future. Thanks to this junior, immediate leaders and junior meters. Sociologist, we will be able to talk about a robust Turkish military sociology. So that's all I have pending any questions.

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Thank you. And now we have time for questions.

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Do we have the microphone? Yeah.

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And are there any questions online? I mean, do I see them?

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Sl. Bamir, no, but you please.

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I can't hear. We can't hear you

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Okay, we take questions. If we have here in the room.

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My name is Gain. No, I'm from Japan, and I want to ask it. And parties

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can I? I? Only one thing I want to know is a situation about military sociology in civilian university in Turkish.

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Barış Ateş: All right.

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Barış Ateş: There are only 2 civilian universities who provide military sociology courses. The one is the Istanbul University.

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Barış Ateş: and they they are the most oldest sociology, the apartment in Turkey. So they have military sociology course, and the other one is in a small city small university.

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Barış Ateş: but next year we will conduct a workshop with all the universities to include military sociology courses at at least as an elective course in their curriculum.

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Barış Ateş: did I answer your question, or you have something more.

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all those questions.

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Ferme, Gašper: I'm sorry I I really can't hear? Very well.

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Do you want to come here? Yeah.

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Ferme, Gašper: thank you.

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Hi, what? What was the context of your research? And what was the the motivation to do this? Was this an assignment by the government? Or was this your own research

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Ferme, Gašper: Yes, thank you. So the the

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Ferme, Gašper: main author of this research was the. She is also my busy supervisor. And the the main reason for this research was actually I. It was a project funded by Slovenian research agency. And it was a

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Ferme, Gašper: 3 year project, I believe, starting at 2,019. And

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Ferme, Gašper: it's It's actually

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Ferme, Gašper: it was about military families, mental health. And so the risk factor models. And then, currently this protective practice model. And they they concluded the project. I think, this year or last year.

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Ferme, Gašper: And they also wrote 2 books, but it's not been, and one published by PAL grave. So

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Ferme, Gašper: yes, of course. So for that.

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would military families also be a research topic that you would be interested in?

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Barış Ateş: Yes, definitely. And one of our Phd students now

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Barış Ateş: just finish or completed his courses. Next year he will conduct research on military families, and we finally got all the permissions.

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Barış Ateş: and if you are interested, I would like to connect you each other just to get some mentorship from your research as well.

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Another question for Barris is, you have put out a call for papers for the Istanbul Journal of Sociology. Yes. And how is how is that running? Are you still looking for people to write for the Journal of sociology.

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Barış Ateş: Yes, actually, the end date to submit the papers is the 20 first July. We already got a a couple of papers, but we are still looking all the volunteers who are available, or who want to submit papers that will be perfect for us.

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So this is a your chance. You can also get famous and renowned in Turkey.

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The 20 first is the deadline. So thank you very much for your right. Right? Right? yes, Lindy.

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you know, when you change.

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Ferme, Gašper: I think we have a question in the chat one relates to me so how the variable support has been measured.

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Ferme, Gašper: So, as I showed, maybe I can. just for a quick second share again.

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Ferme, Gašper: you can see we we

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Ferme, Gašper: measures the variable support through different indexes.

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Ferme, Gašper: So the questionnaire was constructed

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Ferme, Gašper: questionnaire, and then the support was measured through on different indexes. For where we're put together and then on different topics. Is it

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Ferme, Gašper: did I answer a question?

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Ferme, Gašper: If you can write it? Okay, thank you.

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That's that's okay.

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And here are 3 questions to run in.

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what impact on the triadic relationship? Family soldier, military has the type of family or more general type of familiar. he mentioned commune.

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if I may answer the the all of the questions by the third point, because the the the way to shift the analyzes is to bring in more critical theory and more gender theory. So, going beyond the greedy family, will be necessary to look much more into this construct of power.

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So power is indeed The the most important thing that you will study.

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and going beyond the greedy family, the greedy institution.

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it will imply a a study of power, and that also answers the other questions.

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because the structures of families will also be studied in terms of power also, and shifts of power because power is shifting, and it it might even shift away from the State, because the state might might be might be, might be threatened because of the the changes in family patterns. So so that that that is what

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makes it more critical. Thank you for your questions.

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and there's a call for papers from Istanbul for everyone, then. And, Lindy, you had a question.

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So I have a I have a question for fissile you and what I'd like to to ask you for. Some of you focused specifically on the military as a greedy institution. But for our international audience here, perhaps, if you can briefly explain

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the greedy family institution in Nigeria, which also complicates the lives of military widows in terms of accessing their benefits.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: Right? Yeah. thank you, Professor. Lindi, for for the so the Nigerian military family.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: But the Niger military is a typical

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: greedy institution, and it is It's a a reception. So in terms of public, in in terms of the complications, for we do in the access, Wendy and the advanced time. Yeah. So the greediness of of the of the Nigerian military comes to play

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: in the sense of

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: the you constantly because of in the sense of the the you can institution. So there's a relationship between the greediness and the military bureaucracy. So because so and then this also happens when they are transferred to the benefits. So one and they have to be the

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: integrity. So which I mean getting this benefits is always very difficult, and it is in this way you see out the

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: The business of the situation comes to play because they are also not willing to to give them this benefit of women out the women and go to, difficult to and to.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: So that's how I see how the greediness comes to

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: comes to play.

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What I'm asking you to explain is that when these women get their benefits, one of the things that came out so strongly in your study was that the families the family lays claim to this, so the the brother of of the military wife has claims on the money, which also complicates

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the the whole way in which these military benefits are received. So just the cultural impact here on on on the military widows is something which is very unique within the Nigerian context. Perhaps you can just say a few words on that.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: All right. Yeah. So now, in in which respondents to the to the question. So because now the the for most of the videos. even do they? They'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll but the same time to, because the debt the get of these.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: They are often in town, you know, we have relationships with the relatives. Another, another, another members of the family, who also, who also demanded share

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: in the in the in these benefits, and this. So this also the mandate, from the fact that when it's so that joins the military, it's not just a nuclear family that is, a member that is seen as a member of the institution in in practical times is also the standard family, because in in many cases the so that we join the military, the breadwin of the entire family.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: So how many dies in him in conflict as as I've seen in the case of the not only the wife and typhoon

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: to benefits, also the the parents, the siblings, and all of this complicates out. The women also engage with both the military institution and also the the family. So in in this case women are actually in the midst of 2 institutions. Now the military institution, and also the greedy family was who would demand for

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: with the month for share of their own or their own compensation. So for most, for most of the for most videos. They try to negotiate this and relationship with the family by either giving them a certain percentage of

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: of the benefits. if it's possible, for

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: they also sometimes the military also by by by providing, and with of I am ensuring that the more the this benefits are actually shared

502
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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: among family members. So you you find their status and reach

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: Maybe if you if you should just survive in parents or yeah. So you find a selfish, and which we we do is ask to give you certain share of our benefits to this to the survival experience and keep it in to share

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: for for ourselves. To these are degrees in which this woman manage this

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: this and relationships, and in other instances where the we do may not have been the nest of king. So you also find situations in which we, this the military, might refuse to pay the benefits to work, to, to the nest of king. That is not, we do provide asking for the we do to

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: to be present, so in that case. They also enter some phone

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: and benefits sharing to the we do, and the family also share this and this benefits. So those are the reason which these women find themselves in the midst of 2 greedy institutions, one the military and to the family, and that is where the culture of them.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: and then, and in every task, and the rest comes in consistently. So in 2. So to to summarize the

509
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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: the we do that those cuts in, they are caught in the individual one PIN month on the military and 2

510
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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: I'm into

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: And for look what you are out practices, and then we it into to be going.

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Thank you.

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And then an Olenka Aya.

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is that? Who wants to ask the question? Yeah.

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Olayinka Ajala: yeah, thank you very much. Can you hear me?

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: Yes, I can hear you.

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Olayinka Ajala: All right. Thank you. Yeah. My question is also for and

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Olayinka Ajala: we, we had a session, and on Tuesday this group where? I think it was to Riola.

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Olayinka Ajala: well. was talking about our military institutions in the 20 first century, and talking about in his research. He mentioned the fact that it depends on who you talk to.

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Olayinka Ajala: You know, when you're carrying out research, because even within the military there are levels of connections.

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Olayinka Ajala: and some people are able to access some benefits because they are well connected within the military. So depending on who you speak to. If you stick to some people who do not have any connection.

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Olayinka Ajala: then it it's gonna be all such story. But if you speak to some people who are well connected.

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Olayinka Ajala: then you might get another side of this story. So the question is, what did you get? these vibes from some of the people you interview with that. Some of them do some of them have. It's really easy like what they're able to upset the benefits of the old band. was policies quickly. without a lot of problem. And then, secondly, what about the institution itself?

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Olayinka Ajala: were you able to interview some people within the military institution in Nigeria.

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Olayinka Ajala: maybe senior military officers, or some people that are directly involved in just using these benefits or in helping the widows. what did you get from that? If you were able to contact you, then what? What? What was the institution? Our response?

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Olayinka Ajala: so this only you up greedy a situation especially regarding to

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Olayinka Ajala: the windows of

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: So access to this benefits and then connection. So yes, like I also, like my study, are so sure

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: that the more you highly connected the easier access for you to get benefits by the same time to even having the connection is also not automatic.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: right? So, for instance, most of the women who are interviewed, you know, because of mid-runking officers. And I'm not commissioned of this class. So I would typically think that the the

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: the people who who was referring to the past with those of most similar in officers, Cornells, Media, generals, and the rest, who all right. The other assets are the connections to get access to this benefits, whereas for we do those me to ranking offices, then they are only able to get that benefit by virtue of whatever their husband has done when they are life or down participation in military wives.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: Associations like the agenda. Maybe this association, I mean again, I mean

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: Upside that's association and also based on their own personal connection to some of the with some of the videos. And even in such cases, which is also not, it is also not automatic, because, we also have to go through some of this and networks. We have to go through some of these channels, you know. For instance, in we do. Maybe the wife of a individual who is lucky to know it, pretty general.

534
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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: Of course there is also a limit to what the Brigadier general can also do in a

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: a benefits. So it's responding to that, and that is on one hand so and again to for the women who

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: W. Who so far the most I would do is of non commissioned officers who really do not know anybody.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: So another one would get the biggest bronze of this challenges to, and the ones who are most who are most impacted because they are the ones with their husbands. if you if we check the the, the issue.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: So yeah, the it is, we do have no commission of this, as you.

539
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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: In the conflict of commission officers they are able to. didn't do always know someone of the they have. If they have friends they have.

540
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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: but what we do is of sergeant of the

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: and other no commission around. They are the ones who who offer the most brand, and also talking about interviews. Yes, I was able to also interview I

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: I you go to form our letter of approval from the even though, of course I didn't.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: I was able to interview an office out working in the department of I am my administration, who basically told me that the challenge with us processing benefits is the centralized nature of the military bureaucracy.

544
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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: So we do sc from all that to 16

545
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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: to process

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: so and this really complicates the process. So this is. And this is where knowing people comes into play.

547
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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: So because of the complications of the process, it is even possible for you, for someone for for you to die.

548
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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: and do not even impute it in the record that he has died.

549
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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: Right? So yeah. So a participant with me of how, during Covid, she had to travel

550
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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: down to the.

551
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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: So when it was there, she I tried to now each ensure that, and he actually included her husband and demise.

552
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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: because at that point it was still shame that the old man was saving.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: So so it is in, so that it does. How the decentralized nature of the bureaucracy in parts of our system, and gets the benefits. So, for instance, the we do of the corner of the major general

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: or somebody. What stuff in maybe the headquarters of the division as well. Perhaps your what? Your wife has been a very active in the military wife associations, whether it is

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: regardless of the units.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: She has more access to getting our husbands benefits faster than maybe in in the in the you have a non-commissioned officer, or perhaps a professional wife.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: maybe I not a spouse who has our own business or with employees who does not participate actively

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: and association activities. So and this, this also influences how the how they also get to depend on it. Now, also on interviews, too, I was also, I was able to. I was also able to speak with the military pensions, but

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: it was to

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: They they interact with families and trying to set up these kids

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: from.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: I mean benefits here. And this is where the cultural aspects come in to play, because in a German military understanding, the kind of society we function know that when the wife, when the

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: not been like I said, the Nigeria military in terms of his greediness, is not just a nuclear.

564
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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: it's not, it's not nuclear. So when it's goes to sale, it's not just 7 for his family.

565
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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: Also they send that family because they find that the the siblings causing

566
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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: you get it that's shared by the standard family. So and this also is also impacts how this benefits are processed are are received.

567
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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: because when

568
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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: it's it's the next of King. So she's on the cultural application to

569
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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: give

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: part of the inheritance. What part of the benefits now to find me to his family, if they are still, if if the parents are still surviving.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: so in the in the event that the wife is not the no key.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: the policy that they? They would not give this benefits.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: They said, the CD wife. And in that situation they have to go into A is sharing our management. Okay, so it. How are we sharing this? This phones? Is it the 50? 50? Is it 60, 40, etc.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: No, some of those arrangements are not always very. They are not to inconvenient to the women.

575
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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: because according to them, when they when they share this morning, the family does the

576
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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: abandon them, they try to. So some women also fight these management, and in various ways, by not seeing how much they've received. If that they give that depend primary beneficiary.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: All those then declare setting, some are not declared

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: the order. So these are these are reason each

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: My interviews also shared broader light on our

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: the Nigeria military typically, addresses this issue of and benefit and entitlement to it.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: we do windows.

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Ajala Temitope Olufisayo: Yeah.

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Olayinka Ajala: thank you.

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Any other questions.

585
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Actually, I have one for all of you. If you think about your presentations or your the research results. What what kind of reflections

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do you have now on, on, on military as a greedy institution.

587
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of course.

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Who wants to go first in it? Or.

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Yeah.

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do you want to come here? I saw the people on line here, you as well.

591
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I I think if if we look at all these researches, we've seen many researches we've seen researches that, like the Slovenian research, that is more psychology based on on Ttss

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and Ptsd, we've we've seen research into general sociology like from Turkey, and we've seen from Fish. Iow, have we seen research that is highly complex because it it brings on the interactions with the state, with unions, with Ngos and with individuals who are fighting for their benefits.

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And If if you look at all these researches.

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then you you see that the greedy family concept is still very much useful.

595
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But you have to. You have to work it around, and you have to give it new and impulses, impulses that come from critical theory, impulses that come. maybe also from feminism. because there's a lot of theory construction that will help.

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And in this way. And this is more a remark in the direction of barriers. In this way you also develop models for military sociology as a whole. So in this way

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it's not only about military families, but also about modeling for general military sociology as as a whole. Discipline! So that that would be my take away from this meeting.

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The

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maybe others can

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add to this

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any other reflections. Can I say a few words? Yes, yes, please.

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Barış Ateş: Yeah. So for me.

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Barış Ateş: I'm in soldier scholars. Actually, I'm an infantry officer more than third. More than 20 years. Now I'm trying to do is just to get.

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Barış Ateş: Let's say more reasons for feedback from the others. Work

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Barış Ateş: in order to convince my comment as she. So all this kind of research help me to see our place, because without any

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Barış Ateş: a benchmark or any you know.

607
01:31:38.520 --> 01:31:42.480
Barış Ateş: signaling point. Let's say I cannot easily

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Barış Ateş: convince others what we are doing or what we are not doing, because at the end of today people tend to, especially the higher echelons, tend to

609
01:31:54.870 --> 01:32:07.899
Barış Ateş: give more importance to the practical results of the the operational engagements. So if there is a problem with the personal issues, including the military families

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Barış Ateş: that would be put on the back

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Barış Ateş: until it can, it will explode. So this kind of research, you know, from Slovenia or the Netherlands, or some A or Nigeria. I can get some insights to compare our situation. For example.

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Barış Ateş: we have some kind of, you know.

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Barış Ateş: expertise to conduct well, that a quantitative research on me to families.

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Barış Ateş: I'm pretty sure if we do something we will reach the same conclusion. But at the same time

615
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Barış Ateş: we have

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Barış Ateş: a at least 5 or 10% similar problems that the Nigerian military has.

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Barış Ateş: for example, at the low, ranking military families

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Barış Ateş: most of the time.

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Barış Ateş: the suppose, and the family of that

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Barış Ateş: Poland soldier got into trouble, even

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Barış Ateş: take the problem to the court in order to get more benefits from the military or government. So I think we are somewhere in between,

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Barış Ateş: Those 2 cases, and that will be helpful to formulate our own future. Thank you.

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Thank you any other reflections or

624
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no?

625
01:33:50.950 --> 01:33:56.789
Okay. I think. Then. we thank all the presenters once again.

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and hope everyone great time here.

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Thank you. Bye.

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Barış Ateş: bye, bye. A nice day.