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Yes, hello. Welcome everyone. It's a it's a pleasure for me to host even in a virtual way.

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Unfortunately I can't see anyone. And, Magna, would you like me to start with the acknowledgement of country?

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Yes, yes, please.

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Okay. So on behalf of everyone gathered, I pay respect to the spirit of country here in now when we're meeting.

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I acknowledge the past and present calling nation. Oran J. Yuai Warung as the sovereign people here.

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The cultural knowledge holders maintain and promote the Nam Aboriginal law customs. And the custodian ship responsibilities for country and the people the country continues to sustain generation after generation in the diffusion for all of us.

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I recognize the important contribution that First Nations thinkers have made to sociology, including challenges to our dominant ways of thinking.

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We thank all First Nations delegates in the room today for their contribution to knowledge in the discipline.

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Okay, and, so, We are starting a session the emptiness in times of change and international comparative perspective on family recompositions and adult children and parents relationship.

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And, I believe our, first presenter is here who's Julia Sotter from, Norway with her presentation is blood thicker than water.

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Family values in step and biological families at the emptiness stage in Norway.

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Yes, and I think it is pre-recorded session so we will watch it now.

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Oh, it's a pre recorded session. Right.

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Okay, 1 min.

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Hello everybody, thank you for being here today. I will present the study titled Is blood thicker than water?

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Family values and step and biological families at the emptiness stage in Norway.

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The past decades and as the result of rising divorce and remarriage rates Family structures have diversified and become increasingly complex.

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Because of this complexification of family relationships, an increasing number of older adults are no longer part of nuclear families, but are embedded in step family structures at the empty nest stage.

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However, divorce Widowhood and remarriage have detrimental effects on intergenerational relationships in later life.

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Therefore, this study investigates the degree to which older adults in not traditional family structures agree with failure and parental obligations at the emptiness stage.

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I differentiate between simple and complex step families. Individuals and simple step families are those who do not have own children but whose whose partners have children from previous relationships.

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Complex that families include parents who have both own and stepchildren. In addition, I investigate whether gender differences exist in these associations.

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To explain agreement with family obligations this study mobilizes elements from the theory of intergenerational solidarity.

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Namely normative solidarity. Intergenerational solidarity is defined as social cohesion between generations.

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This study I focus on normative solidarity which is defined as the strength of commitment to performance of family roles and to meeting familyial obligations.

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Normative attitudes towards family obligations function as pimeters within which individuals define any negotiate their responsibilities.

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They also provide a framework that people use to justify and explain their actions towards others. And they act as guidelines for individual behaviors.

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No matter solidarity among families is still an important indicator for overall social cohesion. Although it varies between family cultures and welfare regimes.

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Step families are characterized by a combination of biological and non-biological ties. The so reasonable relationship between step parent and stepchild exists.

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Is the relationship both have with a third person? Named the child's biological parent who was simultaneously the romantic partner of this dead parent.

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The rules and expectations within step families are often ambiguous, creating more opportunities for conflict and disagreement. Ambiguous family boundaries have been found to have an association.

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With poorer family functioning. Moreover, relationships and step families to be less close and less frequent in that context.

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Then relationships and biological families. Even more so at the emptiness stage. Given this lack of closeness and the lack of a biological tie, the ambiguity of roles in step families has been linked to lower levels of agreement with failure and parental obligations in step families.

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Roles and role expectations in different family structures are not the same for each gender. Research has shown that stepfather's most strongly perceived as their children as their own than stepmother's do.

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And that adult children and stepchildren are more often detached from stepmothers. And stepfather's.

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Research has expanded this discrepancy between genders as a result of different role expectations for stepfather and stepmothers.

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Although stepfather's defined a role primarily in terms of providing and authority, stepmothers see their role expectations as homemakers and kinkeepers.

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What's train route translates into an active involved role. In the step children's lives. Therefore the requirements of involvement in step children's lives are more easily met by stepfather than by step mothers.

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Based on these theoretical elements I formulated the following hypothesis. Given the increased role in ambiguity in step families compared to biological families, I expect that step parents in simple and complex step families will have lesser levels of agreement with filial obligations.

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Then parents and biological families. Moreover, given that parents in complex temple Complex step families are biological as step parents simultaneously, I expect.

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The association to be less strong than in simple step families. Image individuals only hold the role of step parents.

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With regards to parental obligations, I also expect that step parents in simple and complex step families have for lesser levels of agreement with parental obligations that parents in biological families.

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Here again, given that parents in complex step families are brought by biological and step parents simultaneously, I expect the association to be less strong in complex step families than in simple step families.

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Furthermore, I hypothesized that stepfather's agree more with filial and parental obligations than stepmothers.

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Cause stepmothers are often less close with their stepchildren and are held to higher standards of providing parental support than our stepfather's.

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Data for this study came from the third wave of the Norwegian life course aging and generation study, also called Noah.

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Conducted in 2,017. For this study I analyzed a subsample of 4,573 individuals.

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Aged 50 and older who did not live with children at the time of interview. I included the agreement with 6 family obligations as dependent variables in the analysis.

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For were, 4 were filial obligations and 2 parental obligations. Were recorded into 3 categories, namely agree, indifferent and disagree.

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The independent variable for the present study is participants present family structure. And divided this variable into 3 categories. Simple step family, complex step family and biological family.

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To categorize participants into family structures I crossed information on having biological children and having stepchildren. Participants in simple step families were those who did not have their own children but whose partners had children from previous relationships.

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The complex step family category includes respondents who had both their own children and stepchildren whereas biological families consisted of those participants who only had their own children.

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Participants who did not have own children who either lived alone or with partners who also did not have children from previous relationships were not included in the analysis.

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I also included 4 control variables, gender, age group, level of education and if the, oh, if respondents parents were deceased.

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I performed multinomial regression analysis with the family obligations as outcomes. I tested 2 models for each outcome variable.

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The first only tested for the association between family structure and family obligation. Whereas the second includes an interaction effect between family structure and gender.

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Including this interaction effect the last testing for potential gender differences between families structures. In the in their association with family obligations.

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Here are some descriptive statistics of the analytical sample. Most respondents were in biological families. Whereas only 2% were in simple step families and 13% weren't complex tech families.

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Simple step families, 41% consisted of stepmothers and complex step families 46% and in biological families 53% were women.

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The differences in the share of women in the 3 family structures were significant. Most participants in all 3 family structures were either in the middle or high education category and the differences in level of education between family structures.

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Were not significant.

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I will now present the results from the multinomial regression analysis. Comparing participants who agreed with those who were indifferent.

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For the statement, parents should get help from adult children. The model including the interaction. Indicated that individuals and simple step families were more likely to agree rather than to be indifferent compared to individuals and biological families.

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Moreover, the interaction effect showed a negative association. Therefore, although women in simple step families agreed more, men in simple step families were more indifferent.

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For the statement, parents should get something back from their children. The first model indicated that individuals in complex step families were more likely to agree rather than to be indifferent compared to individuals in biological families.

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More over the interaction effect shot that man and complex definitely is a bit more than women in complex step families.

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This table shows the results of the multinomial logistic regressions for the 2 parental obligations.

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Included in the present study comparing those who agreed with those who were indifferent.

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For the first statement of parental obligation namely parents should leave something for their descendants. Individuals who were in one of the 2 non-traditional family structures.

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Were less likely to agree than those in biological families. However, when introducing the interaction term, these effects are no longer significant.

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For the second statement of parental obligation on parents helping their adult children when needed, individuals who were in one of the nontraditional family structures were less likely to agree than those in biological family structures.

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Here again when introducing the interaction term. These effects were no longer significant.

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This table shows the results of the multinomial logistic regression models for the 4 fulfillal obligations under the 4 filial obligations under investigation and comparing participants who disagreed with those who were in the investigation and comparing participants who disagreed with those who were indifferent.

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For all 4 statements of filial obligations, individuals and simple step families were more likely to be indifferent than those in biological families.

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The m that included the interaction effect between family structure and gender these effects remain significant for the statements grown children should make sacrifices for the children.

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And parents should get something back from their children. Which is shown on this slide. However, none of the infection effects were significant, so I'm not general differences between family structures.

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This table shows the results of the multinomial logistic regressions for the true parental obligations included in the present study comparing those who disagreed with those who were indifferent.

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For the first statement of parental obligations. Individuals and complex step families were more likely to disagree, to disagree than those in biological families.

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These effects remain significant in the interaction model whereas the interaction terms were not significant. For the second statement. Individuals and complex step families were more likely to disagree than individuals in biological families.

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As we have passed 15 min maybe I will just forward to conclusion of the recording.

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Thank you.

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See more than the female counterparts did. This is association is in line with research that has shown high levels of closeness between stepfather and their step-children than stepmothers have.

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However, the results of gender differences between step parents in the study are rather limited. Overall the present study confirms that role ambiguity in step families in the empty stage translates into different levels of agreement with failure and parental obligations.

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Few future researcher ever should further investigate those issues with more detailed information on family trajectories.

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Thank you for your attention.

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Okay, is Julia's not here with us today? We won't be able to ask her questions but the general rule for everyone here is that we wait until all the presentations are over.

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And, we really need to be disciplined as there are many presentations. So I will keep track on time and every presentation as the limit of 15 min.

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After 10 min I would let you know that there are only 5 min left. And, now it's the time for the next presentation by Yusek Hayashi and Misakimatano from the University of Tokyo, Japan.

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With a presentation influence of children's leaving home on parental attitudes. The case of Japan.

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Hello.

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Hello.

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Hello, I'm very wrong. I'm Misaki Matano from the University of Tokyo in Japan.

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Thank you for coming today. Today I am talking about the transition to emptiness and parental well-being in Japan.

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First, I, hi, I'd like to explain Japanese context and previous research.

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In Japan the life stage of old age has been extended with the increase in longevity. And according to the life tables The application life expectancy of Japanese as of 2,020.

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It's, A B 2 is old for men and 88. Yes, for women.

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Extending the life stage of old age. Imply that parents have spent more time without children.

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After the children left their home.

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And, this class shows the percentage of parents living separatory from their territory. They are an art children.

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The percentage of those includes Inclases after they, fifties and latest more than 60% in their early seventys.

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Then it the glaciers from they are late. 7 days since they tend to live with their children again for nothing care and so on.

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This data indicates that many parents spend time living typically from their other children while they are healthy.

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However, several programs with the MARTEL relationship have been pointed out in contemporary Japan. For example, there are, increase in the number of sex less couples.

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Also, Matter. Have enclosed it.

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However, in Japan, Marine the couple married people less likely to have known polymerial network. That means they have, they have to, they only they are supposed.

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Each other even if they have a bad relationship.

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In previous research in other countries, The findings are in consistent and depend on the country. For example, in the United States and Austria emptiness positively affect parental well-being such as employment in mortal happiness.

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And women's in positive mood and so on

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In contrast in China, emptiness negatively affect parental well-being. Such as physical health.

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The cognitive ability. And psychological health.

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In Japan, most previous research have focused on children leaving home as an outcome variable. So there are a few empirical findings on the effect of children saving home.

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There being However, the transient to emptiness is a milestone. In the life of not only that child but also the parent.

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So this study examined the effect of the transient to emptiness on parents well-being such as Life satisfaction, mortal satisfaction.

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And subjective evaluation of wealth. A covariance family income and mortal relationship. Using a Japanese panel data.

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Okay. So we used the data from Japanese life course panel service. From wave one to 15 That sample consists of men and women aged 20 to 40 living in Japan.

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As of December, the 2,006. We, we, we listed the data to more than 35 years old at each time point.

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The percentage of cases that are living with at least one child at time point of t minus one and living not living with any children at time of t is 6.

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We employ the first-difference model as John belong show below in model wrong. Based on Alita to 2,022.

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We said the paramedics. To distinguish the selection between living with and not living with children.

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The dependent viable TEP in modern wrong is any variable that indicate Okay.

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And, the x one IT is the difference of dynamic variables of not living with children between time t and t minus one.

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The, sorry, next to, IT. Is Tatami Barabo representing living with children at time of t minus one.

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And not living with children at time. See.

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X 3 IT is the DAMI BARABO, representing the not living with children at both times of t and t minus one.

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So in. Beta Wang, the presence. The common effect between living with children at and not living with ceremonies.

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And assume that the effect of that change from living with children to not living with children Def from that of the change from not living with children to living with children.

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Then we we defined better too as the amount of effect. Add to the change from living with children to not living with children.

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Are more if living with living with and not living with children. Do not change at both time point. We distinguish between the effect of continuing living with children.

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And continuing not living with children.

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We said you have 5 min left.

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Okay, thank you. We defined beta 3 as the effect of containing not living with children.

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At both time point compared to the effect of living with children at both time points

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We used 5 dependent variables. Nice satisfaction. Amartal satisfaction, a subjective environmental variation of males, equivalent family income.

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Frequency of conversation with does both per week and A frequency of having me is Mr. Spose.

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So this table shows results for May.

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It showed that life satisfaction declines while a coherent income increases when children live home.

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Also, the frequency of talking and eating with the supports, the clients.

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And this table shows a desert for female.

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It indicates that a equivalent income increases for female as well. When children live home

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This table is Lizard of Model 2. Which includes interaction terms with the responded employment status.

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For men in non-regular employment. The increase in equivalent income due to children living home is quite smaller than that opening in regular employment.

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Also the subjective verse for men in Non-degro employment declines.

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And for men in self-employment. My study functions tend to decline more than that of men in regular employment.

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This table show is result of model 2 for female

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For females in no mega employment and subjective wealth is improved by children's living home.

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However, life satisfaction declines.

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For females in self-employment. Self-dECECTIVE WES, EKLYNESS, WOULD LIFE HOME.

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In conclusion, there are 2 main findings. Of this study. First, there are 2 types of changes in parents lives by their children's living home.

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One is positive changed. That's, improvement. In the economic situation of the permanent household.

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The other one is negative change such as. A decline in parental life satisfaction and awakening of the Martel relationship

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As a count, how surveillance change when they are turned on deep or down home? Depends on the socioeconomic status of the parent.

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This result may reflect that the lot of children in the household different depending on current socioeconomic status.

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That's all. Thank you so much for listening.

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Thank you very much, Misaki for your presentation and for the time discipline.

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And the next presentation will be by Ustana Qaeda and PA. A university in Poland.

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And it's called Between Nesting and Autonomy, Young People and Housing Transitions During Social Crisis.

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So welcome, Usaina.

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Oh, okay.

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Hi, actually it's Paula but we're gonna switch in a midway sorry yeah thank you for coming we know it's late on the Saturday so our paper is called Between Nesting and Autonomy it's about young people and housing transitions during social crisis.

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So we're kind of looking at this emptiness phenomenon from the other side. From the young people's perspective and how they narrate this process.

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So our main research question is what were the pandemic related housing experiences of young adults in Poland and what were the precise implications of the crisis for those housing transitions which we contextualize in our theoretical framework.

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So we're looking at, or we situate housing transitions within the broader transitions to adulthood, looking at how leaving home is connecting the broader transitions is often considered the first marker that is moving young people towards autonomy.

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So before they can achieve stability in other areas. They need they are supposed to leave their parents home and despite all those changes that we see around us so those crises we know that satisfactory housing and having satisfactory safe housing remains one of those key anchors that makes us feel safe.

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A modern world. And we are of course not the first to look into housing transitions. So young people, there've been multiple fantastic work on housing transitions that concluded with the development of various types of typologies.

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Some of those topologies looked at the reasons. Why do the young people leave home and the reasons were contextualized as to live with a partner either to get married or to cohabitate to pursue some sort of education or occupational opportunities that potentially are not available close to the parents place or to simply establish independence.

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So since the 19 nineties we are seeing more and more cases where young people move to establish this autonomy.

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We also are working with typologies that sort of map the interplay of agency and structure, Ford and collaborators have looked at student pathways and defined that those could be chaotic, constrained or planned.

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Then we have done previous work with Yousin Nazanin Oskan Matha Buddha at Youth Research Center and we sort of looked at how capital in the family home and perceived time and tempo on speed of departure can be interrelated in those transitions.

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And finally there's more and more work since the 2 thousands about the intergenerational support and that means that young people in contemporary world are unlikely to leave home without support of their parents, either financial support but also in kind support and those kinds of transfers.

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So on the whole we see that today young people can more actively negotiate the complexities of those transitions, but there's also lots of structural concerns and those are growing as especially during social crisis.

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So those 3 close short points about what happens to young people's housing transitions and what happens to housing autonomy and housing experiences when there is some sort of crisis.

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Well, it's what you would expect, right? So there are there are more and more challenges we see from the studies on GFC that had tremendous negative consequences for housing of young people.

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Because the housing transitions are of course intersected with unemployment, rising unemployment among young people, declining levels of income, growing houses.

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Prices and also the emergence of the generation rent, right? So you're not able as a young person to put down roots to invest.

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So there's declining rates in first ownership of a house in those younger cohorts. So it's not as attainable as it was before.

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During kovat, 19 we had sort of those 2 branch challenges on the one hand there were structural challenges similar to the global financial crisis worsening economic situation which is especially difficult for young people who are not as anchored not as established on the labor market so they were losing jobs.

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That's translated to poor housing. It's unaffordability and the phenomenons that sort of are related to the second side of relational consequences where we witnessed a lot of boomeranging, so those reverse transitions when young people who acquired some sort of housing economy.

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Autonomy had to move back home. And start living with their parents again. So this is the emptiness face for the parents who then again have nonetheless because young adults come back.

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And then we are also in Poland very aware of how the the COVID pandemic we can say okay it's ended but we have more and more crises on the horizon in Poland this is especially connected to the war in Ukraine because we have a high influx of immigrants and refugees, which means that we experience a lot of rental

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shortages. Increases in rental prices. So you see this domino effect. The prices that have been already high because of the pandemic have now even gone increased more because of the shortages.

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So this and in affordability of housing and inability of putting down the first down payment or getting the first home is increasing for young people.

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In terms of numbers just to give you a brief very very brief outlook so in Poland the average age of leaving home stands at 28 one so it's a bit higher than in Europe but we I think what is more important is this increase so in the group of young adults between the ages of 18 and 34.

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There has been a growth right in the recent years. So there are more people who live at home and we can wonder about you know how that interplays with the inefficiency of housing boomerang and so on.

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And we've also done a study in a survey in the context of our project where we see that there's also a lot of young people in this young group who do not intend to move out because of insufficient, insufficient resources or simply because they they feel good at living at home.

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So just to move quickly to this project that we're talking about so we are conducting a study about becoming an adult in times of ultra uncertainty.

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We're trying to develop an intergenerational theory of Shaki transitions. It's the study has 6 components.

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And looks broadly on intergenerational relations, solidarity between generations, inclusive of this realm of transitions.

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But today we are only using the data from the work package tool, which is the qualitative longitudinal research we are conducting with young adults and their parents.

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Here is the overview of our empirical material and analytical approaches. I'm not going to go into detail but I think what is important to say is that we will show the typology we developed on the data from wave wave wave one of interviews with young adults and one parent for each of the adults.

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35 so 35 diets and then we've done we're now conducting the second wave of interviews so we're sort of in the in the strange place where we have conducted part of the research we've developed certain typology but we're also going to sort of try to look forward and see how this topology is developed moving

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forward. We've used MAXIDERA to code, conduct a case by case analysis and via the cross case comparisons and identifying main patterns.

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We've developed a typology that Estonia is going to talk to you about.

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Yes, so yeah, I'm taking over and I will present our results and during the analysis of the material we identified 2 dimensions of the material we identified 2 dimensions.

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A differentiating housing situation of young adults. Felsky it was pre-pandemic housing situation meaning living with pagans or living over the independently and secondly it was the evaluation of the housing situation during the pandemic categorized as comfort or discomfort.

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And based on this analysis, 4 types of pandemic housing situations were distinguished and found the ABCD typology.

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I appreciated nesting buttons some nesting, consolidated autonomy and disrupted autonomy and I will give you a brief overview of each of those types.

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At the first type appreciated nesting, Baldie signified comfort coincidence with parents. So here we have young adults who live with their parents and are not being ready to move out in the near future at least.

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And it has to be said that they usually belong to the younger age cohorts so they are between 18 and 24 years old and they were high school or university students who might picture they moving out but this plan was still abstract and not immediate.

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What is quite important today emphasized comfort down from staying in the family home and to be more precise it was being looked after.

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And provided. So for example, Matage says even if my mom is comfortable and I don't have additional expenses so they don't have to worry about challenges of managing their own households, including financial evidence.

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Not all young adults felt as good when living with their parents and this type grasps those who would like to move but cannot.

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And what is quite important here is that they wish to give home was more commonly associated with the subjective views of objective markets of becoming an adult rather than problems in a relationship with parents.

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Those The parents of moving out were motivated by, for example, automatic relationships or feeling that is just the right time to move out.

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At the same time, those narratives observe that the pandemic has caused an increase in prices on the housing market and made the opportunities to move out rather limited.

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So for example, Eric mentions that prices of apartments are sky high. Directors about the invisible force he has to constantly deal with.

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Without sufficient savings due to using their jobs for example during the pandemic some of them found themselves in the state of weighthood.

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So, contrary to those potential short-term challenges taught by the Nestics from the previous type, Those structural challenges were in the foreground in this type.

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So we observed omnipresent uncertainty and worsening circumstances on the housing market at the labor market.

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That could have psychological consequences in the form of going a frustration. A First type consolidated autonomy.

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It grasped those young adults who achieved their housing stability prior to the pandemic as well as those who are able to smoothly continue the pandemic housing transitions.

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And those who settled in independent housing situations before the pandemic seemed generally satisfied with the housing transitions and didn't report an impact of the pandemic on the quality of residents or they were very short term referring to some having to share space during the remote education remote work during the lockdown.

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The possibility of consolidating one's autonomy despite the pandemic depends on both the perpandemic housing situation.

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And the accumulated of family capital. So folks are successful to housing transition during the crisis such conditions as external financial employment stability needed to be packed with support from others, many pagans.

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And the final type disrupted autonomy described those who have independently pre-pandemic but had nose had no housing stability or full financial autonomy.

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So, contrary to the false prolonged living with parents experienced by some of the burdensome masters.

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Some of the narratives had to transition back to the parental home of the remained in a state of folks when it came to housing during the pandemic.

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Those unplanned changes. Were caused by remote education, a disrupted employment, broken relationships or several of those problems of And as regards Boomerang, it can be said that good relationship with pagans allow young people to experiment with independent housing and if it's necessary use the safe base of the temporary, some used it but not everyone wanted to do

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it so in some cases. Integral has decided to maintain autonomy and looked for some alternatives.

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For example, it was decrease in housing expectations and being in a state of weighthood. And I going to the conclusions just to mention few I think the most important things which we want to address today.

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A Thanksgiving macrossexual changes are multifariously translated into biographical experiences, particularly being mediated by parental support or lack of So housing stability or instability, experiences depend on both relational and economic resources.

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Based on the analysis we observed that the scope of disruption, pandemic related disruptions in the housing situation depend on age.

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The individuals economic situation, social support and pre-pandemic housing instability and we argue that similar factors are crucial more generally not only in the pandemic context but also in case of other crisis.

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As housing transitions are part of transitions into adulthood. It's not disabled that different markers of adulthood intersect.

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So those ant disruption of the pandemic housing situation and autonomy were often the result of other mad other other food macques being appended for example unwelcome job changes salary cuts or broken relationships and it's quite obvious that those who have stabilized and social and economic support are able to keep their stability whereas those with

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more precarious life situation face those challenges in more in the in the biggest way and importantly a pandemic shouldn't be seen as a single event or factor but rather as an accelerator of the previously existing structural challenges and equities on the housing market and we can observe that.

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Though that we can observe that some pandemic created changes and following events have deepened Yankee diet's economic insecurity due to strengthening their housing instability and delaying day transitions plans and as power already mentioned.

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To be more specific work in Ukraine being experienced together with increasing inflation, growing prices, growing market trades.

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Can be seen as another significant riot of poet crisis reality influencing transitions into adulthood and achieving or maintaining the housing independence.

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Thank you and if you are more interested in an you would like to know more detailed way of presentation of our types.

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It's already published in our types. It's already published in the Housing Studies and we should mention that Yvita Gajiska was also a co-oper of this paper.

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Thank you very much for your presentation and also for the time discipline and now we will have an online presentation and now we will have an online presentation.

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And now we will have an online presentation by Emmanuel. I'm sorry, I'm not sure how to pronounce you.

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Okay, so thank you very much. And, now I will pretend to research. I have conducted with, 3 colleagues in France and the phenomenon of children returning to the parental home after staying in independent accommodation.

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To introduce a subject it's important to remember a few facts about the situation of young people in France.

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First of all, we can say that there is a French model of transition to adulthood. Use is seen as the period of placement during a which young people must find their place in social and economic life.

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But today is this period of investment is linked to growing uncertainties is linked to growing uncertainties, a certainties to of being able to find a job corresponding to one's level of qualification of being able to find a job corresponding, a certainties to of being able to find a job corresponding to one's level of qualification of being able to leave

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dec All these factors lead young people to be very pessimistic. Pessimism can also be reinforced by the experience of weak social rights for young people.

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But at the same time, society and young people value a pathways based on experimentation. For example, some young people may want to put off certain adult commitments.

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They don't want to find a stable job at the end of the study. They don't want to have a family life and etc.

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And we can see this behavior as a way for young people to question. So we'll events of social integration standards.

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Okay, so in this perspective, we can see that the goal of having 10, remains, a strong desire among people.

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But at the same time, young people are particularly exposed to the housing crisis. The way the housing market works as a negative impact on young people such as requiring several months rents in advance.

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Avian guarantor and etc. This is a This has an impact on all young people, but particularly those experiencing financial difficulties.

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So, you can see that many young people have, difficulties,ing of remaining in an independent housing a they may also stay longer in until home or return to it like a boomerang kits like a boomerang kits like Barbara Michael says.

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So the parent as a function as a resource a place where young people for longer or return if they run into difficulties.

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And in this presentation, I will focus on the phenomenon of returning. After a during the an emptiness phase and with this question what does this situation reveal about the conceive of the solidarity and support they should provide for their children as they make the somewhat of a methodology.

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We conduct a creative student using semi-directive interviews. We met, 40 young people and 22 parents.

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In the campus we have a valued situation of children and values social backgrounds. The interview we are conducting funds so and in urban and rural areas and we such a cross-perspective children and parents on the experience of routine.

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Returning home. My presentation will be divided into 2 parts. The first part will analyze the then reversibility of young people's departure and the second part will discuss how the return to the parental home could be.

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A sign of changing forms of family solidarity. First of all we can ask if we turn to the parental home is not just another stage in the, is not just another stage in the residence trajectory.

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In France, access to our independent trajectory. In France, access to our independent housing is often a crucial stage in the transition to And in this condition, maybe, the return could be experienced like as a failure but on the contrary returning

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The interviews conducted with both children and parents. I like that the fact that we returning to the parental home can be seen as a possible Even a probable stage in contemporary, use pathways, particularly for students.

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This group of you reveal a shared wellness across the generation of the difficulties young people face in accessing the labor market on a stable basis.

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Zephyr, this shared awareness is coupled with a shared evidence of the possibility of long-term family suppose which includes a return to the parental home.

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This appears to be a shared certainty with often does not need to be. Negotiated. Oh, He is invested as a pet a base to which the children return between their various experiences of emancipation or difficulties.

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Let's go. I go back to the second part. So for the second part I will analyze how we turn to parental home could be a sign of changing forms of family solidarity.

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In our interviews with parents, we heard a norm of normalization of parents long times Long term support for their children.

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Which makes a possibility of returning abuse. And you can read this code to, to as an example.

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This, father said the children are like birds. They fly away from the nest. The difference with birds is that we allow them to, for me, my creature in what I've known, you can't close a door on your children.

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The extension of family support is often naturalised by parents who over and above their obligation to provide support see it as an inexpensive expression of their parental love.

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Parents who say you are coming back but how for how long how can you say to the flesh of your flesh.

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The need for prolonged the material support is also justified by an awareness of international inequalities.

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Parents often point out that they have experienced more fever conditions for entering the labor market on the achieving economic and residential independence.

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Than their children. Some of the comments and what's evoc adept, to the next generation.

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LinkedIn to the fact that they lived in a privileged context in terms of employment. We can speak of solidarity based on what the parents generations perceives as a duty toward their children generation.

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This duty arise from the awareness that children will never experience. Condition as favorable for the entry into adulthood.

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As youth of their parents. The Zephyr for the additional solidarity as the bulwark.

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Against the deleterious effect of contemporary socio economic development. Some students emphasize that it is not so much the quality of the relationship as the system of international obligation that comes into play in coresident situation.

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Parents accept their children into their home because they need their help even in situation where relations are strained.

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It is difficult to speak of irreversible reversible trajectory unless there is a strong relational conflict.

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Family conflict with parents or siblings are often seated as a factor in decobitation but generally do not prevent the children from living together again.

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First, unlike the parents who see the solidarity as normal and expand it in a positive light.

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Young people who move back in. In find it out there and second point it is not so much the experience of record record detection as the difficulty of knowing when it will end.

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And I can see that we have another. Presentation about returning And this time this will be Sandra Gavin, with her presentation returning to the Nest.

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First of all, and we present for Tony Pass, home in France, then methodology. There was roots and the return in time of pandemic.

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The phenomenon of returning past home in France is resent. And it has been developed in countries such France Canada or the Tries.

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When emancipate young people returned to their family home. There are only images that are in Europe at the Tropical Leeds.

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For example, in 2,013 in France and most 1 million people return to live with their permits.

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Oh, that's on my phone. Young people age from 18 to 29 represent 73% and 50% of people that stay less than one year.

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This is a new phenomenon compared to the traditional French model of transition. So I've added food that is giving priority to a definitive emancipation.

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There were some crash studies about returning home. Yeah, in 2,000, Katrina Kocha analyzed a part of a global survey.

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20% of people living parents on are coming back. Some animals. Converging in a return not having a job having experienced unemployment in the last 4 years.

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M the head, judicial or administrative problems. And everything is interlaced. It is difficult to distinguish It's veteran.

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Also, have a pure foundation. And. Okay, National Housing Survivor Data in 2,013.

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And they showed that Al Nasuanian people come back. In a quiet proportion of men and women.

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Is that Barton to understand French contexts? At requires test of youth. Young French people suffer from job insecurity.

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No permanent contracts, low salaries drug testability and estimate that 12% of the population is in a precarious situation.

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Many young people work in temporary war jobs and mainly men. During the lockdown the situation is the same for everyone and young people keep their flesh.

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This is a new element.

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On this presentation and use the data research of returning person in France in 2090. The book was published in January, 2020.

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And some enter that I did during the lockdown in March. 2020 and I entered use at the time of lockdown and after.

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That the students of the Professor of. A conduct in Fast. 53 interviews over. The majority of the preparation We're parents with children who are students for starting their working life.

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Who are under 30 years old and most of men on their 25 years sorry. The interviews were tried on Tuesday 2020.

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And my own. The the lockdown, I have several topology of return and process of returning. Securing financial independence is important, securing the future.

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The access to professional life is important. And some students coming back. Home to look for a job after graduating.

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They know this at the first. And that Sometimes after. They are not able to live and the situation change.

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In other places. Is a citation of loss of unemployment, leaving parents home. A most incorrect situation and then after and they just resisting to come back when having professional challenges.

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I have not other choice in personal payment. The feminist support is important.

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But they are, er, to me. I'm not. Very good relationships for some moment.

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Of Paris can be often imitating and they can have the Getting together is a challenge because sometimes there are about relationships.

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Hey, it's important to securing the future. So that you've come back to save money.

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But this is very limited sedition.

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Another important situation is the who come back. Because personal problems with the partner or in the world or difficult to live alone.

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And it's important for them to revealing him or herself.

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In any case, living together and have some special characteristics by sample. Far as accept even if they don't want.

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And those are in their parents home and the somebody over of ownership is and manage. By the farce.

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So for example, minutes are managed by the past. The first of computation and relationships vary according to several elements.

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The result for living home, the reasons for returning home. The young person's perspective of becoming emancipate again.

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Alright, separate. In the relationship with that in the past and if in the early days of coexistence it is going well.

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Dynamics, risk.

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It's also a important material condition of home and space or not share space living room. And in some cases the configuration of the home has changed.

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Fry example, the bathroom now. To a sipping or mother or father now having any partner. I'm the organization varies according to their relationships.

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And far as economic situation.

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And we observed different feelings. Of Hong Kong at a short time. Oh, funny's a feeling of failure.

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More positive because they were 8 or 4 min. I in any case. Return is our way to protecting transitions.

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How it was in the return in times of pandemic. For some families, spending so much time all together again.

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Thank you, B. And they had to virtually address that they behave.

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There are some, for example. Emergency exit because the of truth. Half their clap.

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It was a moment that it was possible discovering others like professional or student because of the family. Please together.

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We have serve also inequality depending on housing conditions, family instructors. Organization of the space implies home Increase the domestic work for women and sometimes There were some tensions because domestic works.

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For the youth they feel here and acidity. Very few young people were worried about the world or the health crisis.

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The worries were focused on their studies. Or they back to work. But everybody and

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Do a lot of efforts to live on together. They call, and relationship we have said that some young people didn't feel what in in person space such as the bathroom protecting studies or work needs.

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An exceptional family moment. Was for their families, their parentheses and they Have our primates together, both games and it was a really nice moment.

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In other cases. And they live with tensions because that relationship from the in Children or

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And young people who stayed in the honor background during the first programme were coming back to the Paris, honoring the second one.

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Because of the fullness of the first experience. Not all of them that are perfect.

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And we have served an interesting the lack of experimentation for young people. Sustainability, student life, sex life, it was really, difficult for that.

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So, It's less exceptional moment of common living. During 24 h. Everyone.

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Did a lot of efforts to giving in this context and it was magical moment for some very hard for others.

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And in other cases the space enters as a parameter but also the past relationship. Thank you very much.

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Have a nice Congress.

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Yeah, I hope you all having a nice Congress. And it's our final presentation today by, and its title is Family Mission accomplished, coupling emptiness and recomposition of gender roles.

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It's your turn now.

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Yes, thank thank you Mara and we really do enjoy the Congress, so we really miss you all of you who are only online.

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And yes, I would like to share, I think, one of the final presentation of the project that we conducted at and actually both the chair and 2 previous speaker were also involved as the project was Polish and French Cooperation Project and I really glad that in today's sessions we also could hear findings from Japan and Norway because

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I found the co-residence and boomeranging and emptiness syndromes be in a very like increase of interest in family studies.

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So my presentation is about, FEMA is titled Family Mission accomplished and what I was going to do I tried to take like the deeper look into the recomposition of gender roles in from the perspective of parents who left in the empty nests.

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And the project was founded by our national finding center, Polish one. So the structure of presentation is I will really shortly go into the presentation of the project, but I will focus mainly on the recomposition of roles like maternal paternal and partner roles in the couplehood.

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And then hopefully we will have some time for all the presenters Q&A. So the study was done in between 2,019 and 2,021.

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And we did, over 200 550 I think interviews in Poland and in France I will today focus mainly on Boland and in France.

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I will today focus mainly on the I will today focus mainly on the attic interviews with parents in Poland that were done, I will today focus mainly on the attic interviews with parents in Poland that were done both in urban settings and in Poland that were done both in urban and urban settings and to individual interviews with parents in Poland that were done both in

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urban and urban settings and to individual interviews that were That also happened one year after. So when you will see some descriptions about couples, it always means that at the time when a child left the home or the age that was given was and while we first time met parents and then we for more than a year we followed what was happening in their

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houses. So, and as I said, the project was gathered lot of scholars from both Poland and France and we really had really nice both pandemic and non-pandemic so on-site time to meet all of us so thank you all who are hearing to this presentation again.

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And what we started, we tried to first focus on how the empty nest face is different from what is defined emptiness syndrome that in previously literature was understood as emotional distress, identity conflict, oppression, feelings of guilt, anxiety, stress, loneliness.

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But also what we saw on the other hand that we could talk about some, I think you mentioned American and Australian like this positive data and also we found it in our project so we are unification of disposes positive developmental experience for parents, greater care for each other, self-care, increase flexibility when to engage in desire activities.

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So also there are not that much studies on this face of the family. Previous studies were more on psychological outcomes defined as negative and we are following also those who try to reconstruct the face and find out what is really happening in everyday life practices in couples.

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So we were going into the Rose Train and a rather strange perspective. We wanted to dialogue with the roles for women on the level of being a mother, a wife and a worker and for the father for being the father.

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The breadwinner and husband and this is what I'm going to talk about today. So in between the loss and relief concepts we wanted to really see who is taking what out of the empty naze, the nest in the house.

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So this gender and role strain is different for men and women. And due to the power of the primary carol for the mother, it is challenging and some outer sad and these feelings and emotions for women are in many plays in literature showed as they are really strength but also we were trying to find out as our fathers were like around 48

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plus and dealing with the not yet engaged father was also breadwinner Rose and that this outcomes for them are not that much studied.

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We also thinking a feeling of guilt is painful for them. And if emptiness can make some difficulties for them.

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And what we also find out that little is known about how men react to this change and there is lack of research that's a lack of research and that suggests that men may not be affected by the departure of their children or that it does not affect their mental health in the same way as it does for the wife.

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So we want it also to make some comparison. So then on for examples I would like to show you what can happen in different.

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House code in different stories and that of course it is it is related of what was happening while children were still living in a household.

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So first couple and the female perspective is the family of Agneska who is 52 and has 3 sons Dami and Camel and Nathan and the last one left home at the very beginning of the study it was very fresh experience to have fears before then he returned back home for the COVID and then moved again to study.

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And for Agneska what happens is that her mother role was really the role of, we can say, her life.

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So she was mainly focused on the role. And while children left the home, she said that she and her husband they found out that there is nothing much left between them.

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So they even were living on different floors in the apartment. So on this example we constructed like the type of weak dice couples we describe it in the book and in in coming article but let's hear what how Agneska says about her experience.

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We live in the same house but sort of separately, yes. I know relationships like that that live separately at all.

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They have separate shelves in the fridge and something like that. Is not. I mean, it's definitely been like that for somewhere so big by bit they weren't.

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It's felt like we were living completely separate. Of course we still have this way to us that I make dinner, serve dinner, but I still have something like that that if he comes back and I'm doing my thing, I don't know.

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On the computer reading or something, I will serve dinner to him but I don't see it with him at dinner right?

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I'm there for a while but then he finishes it on his own because he eats it for a long time and I get bored here.

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So you could say that we live in the same house but with slightly separate lives. And of course it can also create the opportunity for women and in many cases it does to be also very involved in the worker and on the A labor market, Rose, they play because as for Agneska who is 52 as we see it's still 8

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years to be active on the labor market and the second example is from the female perspective is the example of Anna.

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She's a wife to march in and they have one son who is married 20 years old and already moved out 3 years ago.

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And what she said is that We also probably have this feeling that we have only just started living at the moment in terms of being at the best moment in life, health wise.

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Financially and commitments because I was always say to myself that we are at the point in life that we do not we don't need much so for some couples we see like the honeymoon face it can be like new honeymoon face so in Poland lot of them as you can see by the age they have they actually did not have

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many of years together to be a couple in a separate housing. So it's the first moment that they are still very active and they say we deserved it that we can leave our own on and for her the wife the partner role is now of getting the bigger importance comparing to the mother role.

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Now let's think about 2 examples of feathers. So the first one will be the Anjay, Andre and his wife Zophia.

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They are 50, they are 50 years old. One daughter who lived for several years also with her boyfriend in their house.

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So while she left it was very fresh experience at the beginning of our interview. It was only 3 months.

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They lost like 2 children because they really treated the sound very closely. And Anj Singh also is representing the crash of the involved father role for both children like the daughter and the future son-in-law and not much commitment with the wife and moving out of the children make accent or focus on it.

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So he says the story like this. A bit sad, a bit sorry. Me, I'm heavily embarrassed because I don't know, I feel generally dominated in this relationship and it's hard for me in general as so here.

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It's not the height of my dreams also. I just want to especially since the kids have moved out I thought there would be a bit of a second use of moved out, I thought there would be a bit of a second use, a bit more of that freedom and a bit more of that freedom and unfortunately it's starting to slip

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into that freedom and unfortunately it's starting to slip into that kind of Marasmus. And unfortunately, it's starting to slip into that kind of Marasmus.

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It's 5 min.

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So we see this. Okay, thank you. We see the story of Anji who thinks that yes, he was even dreaming about the other role in the relationship not parental being on the agenda.

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And the last one is that I was 50 free 2 daughters. They moved out the second term for a while back home for COVID and they were really disappointed because it was really good time of their life and how he described it.

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We are for each other. That's what we said a year ago. I think yes, that most important and we've sort of built up the importance from the beginning of the relationship in such a way that the children are important but nevertheless our relationship and we for each other are the most important and we enjoyed this emptiness period all

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the more. On the other hand, no exaggeration, right? That's the kids are gone to cottage is free that are sparkle and so on.

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Suddenly there's some kind of euphoria. No, I think it's just that we are a bit too old.

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Maybe it was 10 years earlier. Whereas when you are 50 plus, well in my opinion you have more, I don't know, at least with us, rational attitude to it.

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And we don't go crazy but of course it gives us the possibility of more pleasure. So the couple that really was the couple during being a parent and now just say it's the time for us and we can take profit of being together.

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So as a lot of studies show that the house and parenting are really gendered. And women are more historically associated with home as home as homemakers and this feminine side is very important.

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We also are observing in our outcomes that this idea of a new man are kind of appearing in emptiness.

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Nest face. So while the couple is reminding at home alone and they have strong interdependence and they feel that time of new honeymoon we see that the housework is getting the gendered, they start to like cook or to do some things they even didn't do where children were at home.

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So this not being the father give them the space to go into new roles and I talk about male roles also on Wednesday so you can also read it in our books.

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But just let me finish is 3 important outcomes as the study is finished and I think I can also give some more general outcomes.

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So first that the mother's role persists and adapts to new circumstances and family dynamics. Often manifestating itself in new practices.

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So we cannot say that it is accomplished and the role is finished, but it changes a little bit. But they also feel very important to be a mother.

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In contrast to mothers, fathers have a less attentive approach to monitoring the everyday life of their adult children.

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They regard the process of moving out and changing family arrangements as the result of so-called as they say it's quote not real course of life what they entered do do enter murals and as for couples the transition to the emptiness phase can be challenging for some as they adjust to the newriadic arrangement.

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Couples who prioritize their marriage alongside parenthood find the transition smoother. The relationship is likely to enter a new honeymoon period.

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In contrast, couponscope parental is mainly parent would find it difficult to find common ground outside of their children and my experience the emptiness face as a combination of sadness and relief.

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So some publications are already published and there is book coming. So you can follow us or write to me an email and I will respond to you.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you. Now it's the time for questions and answers. I can't see the audience.

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So, my, I will need your help with gathering questions. I can see whether there's anything in the in the chat here.

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But I know not yet.

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Okay, so yes we will follow the chat and please help me with seeing the zoom audience and if anyone have questions please come to the mic.

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And maybe I will ask presenters to sit in the front so it can always It is always encouraging for questions be asked?

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So please do I have questions for all of you? So. I see, Please used to come.

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Thank you.

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But I think you won't see them anyway. I will make photo for you. But there is the mic so you will.

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Hear them. Okay, so I will start. Okay, we have question, please come and ask.

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Hello, thank you for the very great presentations. My question is for amanuel so I was thinking about this point you made about the normalization of parents long-term support in order to Yeah, to deal with this continuing return of young adults to the parental home and I myself conducted like a small study on like a children

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boomerang back back and forth to parental home and yeah interviewers told me that it's a razor, like the parents told me it's a rather ambivalent experience for many of them where it's quite often are connected to this feeling, OK, of course I want to support my child and of course I want this

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but on the other hand it's very hard it's just not the time anymore I have other life transitions to deal with and.

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I have other life transitions to deal with and is this something I can't say as a life transitions to deal with and is this something I can't say as a parent or is it something I can?

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You know, not want anymore. So my question there is especially also in like siblings constellation who might like boomerang back and forth as well.

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Where does the support end or when is it allowed to end? When can't I want it anymore and also like Yeah, will the emptiness ever be truly empty?

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And I hope I have. Will understood the question. Your question is about the end of the support of parent during the and the return to home or for all the the life of the children and parents.

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Because, I think, in our interviews, about, parents, it's very difficult to end the solidarity of all, the, support, like you say in your question, it's very difficult to to say to to the children or that we

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can't support them anymore. I think it's, the question of the end is a very, very good question and it's it's much be developed to understand the world this kind of relationship between children and parents at the end at the during the transition to

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Thank you.

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I have one question to all of the presenters. I was thinking and actually when we also were putting together all of the presenters.

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I was thinking, and actually when we also were putting together all the abstracts. I was thinking, and actually when we also were putting together all the abstracts, we really wanted to have this international global, let's call it perspective.

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So I would like to ask you about kind of intuition while here we go so other presentations also from other sessions do you think that cultural perspectives can still deeply influence the co-residence and the moving out and the boomeranging as the really can we say no to it as from the parents perspective while we think at least about

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Japan, Norway, France and Poland and here we heard some presentations. So I would like to maybe ask every presenter to wrap up and Say the answer

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Okay, I'll start. Thank you. Mike, that's a very good question. I mean, I feel like we are sort of still too ethnocentric slash the Philippe here because we I do feel like we have the same cultural framing in a sense of the cultural diffusion and the changes between

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collectivism, individuals, and there's more and more congruent and coherence there.

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But I do feel that if we have had the possibility to broaden the scope and look beyond you know, Poland, Japan, Norway, France, we see that despite culture differences that the trends are quite similar and that the parents especially with the second demographic transition and after the fertility declines they have normalized very strongly this

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idea about support and I think that ties really well to your question because I don't think that the parents will ever say, no, this is the end of the support, especially in middle classes because it became so normalized.

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So we now are kind of looking even at people who are 40 and they have some sort of biographical crisis be it illness or divorce boomerang and receiving both in kind and financial support from their parents.

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So that I think this generational contracts are really really evolving but I do feel that we need to look more broadly and look to other geographical contexts where this might look very differently.

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And I think there was also a class dimension to it. So I think if we look at people from working classes we would find more situations where this idea of, OK, you're now 18, you're supposed to fend for them for yourself, it would be a bit more prominent and more featured.

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Thank you. I'm not sure I can catch. Okay, your comment. In in Japan.

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Japanese Cloveroff says Cola, Kasagai, and that mean, children are the, See I don't clump, husband and wife.

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So it mean that the children okay sorry No, you prevent them from, even though the mental relationship is unhappy I think,

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It's not, it's not. Only get on the There are a similar situation.

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In the other country. I think. Thank you. Thank you.

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Emmanuel.

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Hmm. I think, I agree with, or the, comments of, the previous presenters.

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So I don't I think it's like global. What I have understood it's, it's not very different from, the state.

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So. Yes, it will be very interesting to have a research on this difference of culture, but it's not very easy to to see difference now, I think.

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Yes, because one thing we see is like the age when young children live houses. So there are like the age when young children live houses.

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So there's the age when young children live houses. So there are individualistic versus collectivistic countries.

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We see some gap of like, let's call it even 5 years. So it's important but you are right that for example in such countries for example like France with such a big numbers of migrants it will be also interesting how they cultural background influenced the decision not only to leave the house but also to come back.

486
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Because it can be important and also what we have found in our boomerang study was that what I see in so many studies that appeared during COVID.

487
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I think it's kind of less to be ashamed of. So first of all in first year of our study all almost all parent says yes it is their home and they can always come back but after one year without children like in front of researchers some of them said Okay, but we never thought they will.

488
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So it was like, you should say that. This is your homes and leave the room for children, etc.

489
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But suddenly in so many countries it really happens so I was thinking that it showed on words gay that is a little bit to be ashamed of or to call it a failure because it is the test for family network and family relations and on the other hand that it might be the more common one of the steps into adulthood that you can just appear again in

490
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your family house. I don't know if you agree with me but I think that comparing your studies in France both of Sandra and Emanuel.

491
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I thought in your books more or less really dealing with failure when you are coming back. And you didn't know for how long.

492
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So I find this COVID experience to influence how we perceive the return. But this is just my intuition.

493
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And the other question?

494
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I have a question if I might.

495
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And one comment we have. I just like Sharkey, maybe add or follow up what power said that.

496
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I feel that this cultural perspective, it also has to be always combined or supported by analysis of economic and structural conditions because even if different countries go very deal with similar economic crisis they can be different he translated into the specific countries regarding of the specific economic situation and even housing regimes because in case of some countries people prefer ownership in other countries a rental market

497
01:41:34.000 --> 01:41:43.000
it's quite okay and it's also not only private rental market but very well-developed public market.

498
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So I think that's also important.

499
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Yes, thank you. I agree with the previous comment, but my question was about something else. About returning.

500
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So I guess this will be a question to Emmanuel and Pavelin is Tina. We talked about returning and my question is how much was this return a return towards was left years ago so I returned to old roles and how much was it something new?

501
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Because I guess both parents and children have changed during the time alone. And I was wondering how this change in influenced this new situation of return.

502
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So probably, I don't know, children, have, I have changed during this time, of independent living and parents got used to being alone and what happened then when it came to being together and I'm not talking here about like the general idea of satisfaction or dissatisfaction but rather this idea

503
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of the session of the reconfiguration.

504
01:43:08.000 --> 01:43:18.000
Yes, it's a very good question. Because, about the notion of return return to what?

505
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I think you are right because obviously the The way the fact that the children were separated, with, because, as they have the experience, an autonomous housing.

506
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It's obvious that the return is not a return because several things have changed. So I think in our research you we we have conclude that maybe the return the sense of the return is maybe the return, the sense of the return is, maybe the return, the sense of the return is, is, deal with,

507
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the, maybe the return, the sense of the return is, is, deal with, the, people, in what type of what they they think about as how they the It's difficult to understand.

508
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I'm sorry because it's a it's a confusing my But, maybe someone could, answer because this

509
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This question.

510
01:44:50.000 --> 01:45:03.000
Yeah, it's a very good question. I feel like, yeah, we have to reflect more about this reconfiguration and I think when I was thinking about, yeah, we have to reflect more about this reconfiguration and I think when I was thinking about this reconfiguration and I think when I was thinking about this question I would go

511
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on 3. 3 points. So one thing is about relationships. Of course they are changing in a sense that or the return is conditioned about on having good better or worse relationships with your parents obviously the young adults who came back to homes when they felt supported, they were potentially less pushed out again, then I do feel like we notice a little

512
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bit and also I think we had cases where people returned and said that this return actually ameliorated relationships.

513
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So like before they moved out there was some crisis and conflicts and then when they returned this return kind of helped them to clean the air sort of as because they returned as adults and they felt that they were maturing in the time when they were away from home.

514
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I think the second thing we noticed in the data is this slightly different flow of support and I think when the some of our interview is returned there was this first I think in second wave it's particularly visible that they say that they care more about the parents that when they lived at home before it was that the parents were caring for them and now when they

515
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come back they obviously feel that the parents are current for them but they also talk more about I'm worried about my mom I take her to the doctor I do the shopping for them so I think those intergenerational flows of solidarity and care shift and maybe are a bit exacerbated by the returns.

516
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And I think the third thing we both noticed or noted down is time because it's very different what are the temporal frames of this is it you come back after a couple of months you you tried living on your own and you failed and you come back or you've been gone for 5 years and then that's I think a

517
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very different situation of what is the temporariness and the time since your departure and then on the other temporal axis, how long are you planning to stay?

518
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Because we had both. We had people who moved back and then they're not thinking about the move moving out again, which is rare.

519
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And I think we have more of, I moved back because there was a crisis and then I've tried again and I moved out again.

520
01:47:20.000 --> 01:47:22.000
I'm not sure if II have something to ask

521
01:47:22.000 --> 01:47:30.000
Yes, yes, thank you. Yeah.

522
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Okay, any last question?

523
01:47:33.000 --> 01:47:43.000
Yes, we got one.

524
01:47:43.000 --> 01:47:49.000
It's not really a question. I'm not supposed to be here, but I like the The title was attractive.

525
01:47:49.000 --> 01:47:55.000
So I just came inside. Thank you for the presentations. I'm Resurrection Manalo.

526
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I'm a widow, Filippina. I'm a human rights worker for the last 40 years.

527
01:48:00.000 --> 01:48:07.000
I'm a, I'm a Marshal a survivor.

528
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And June the Marshall, I was in prison together with my late husband during the 20 year dictatorship of Marcus and then I'm NGO worker for 4 years and then join government commission human rights and my mother.

529
01:48:22.000 --> 01:48:30.000
Empty is the proper adjective. But there might be a better label to that maybe for features research.

530
01:48:30.000 --> 01:48:39.000
Because I think the next is a dynamic. Like for myself, I could say. I'm tired working in a cosmopolitan area for Manila.

531
01:48:39.000 --> 01:48:44.000
I've spent there 30, 40 years of my life. I've spent there 30, 40 years of my life.

532
01:48:44.000 --> 01:48:50.000
Then I decided after Kovat, I've spent there 30, 40 years of my life. Then I've spent there 30, 40 years of my life. Then I decided to come back to Minta now.

533
01:48:50.000 --> 01:48:53.000
But I know I dread living with my stepmom, but I know I dread living with my stepmom, but then I realized there is intentionality.

534
01:48:53.000 --> 01:49:04.000
That the healing should start, you know, some healing should start and it cannot just be you know distance relationship and To make it funny, my brother's wife got covered.

535
01:49:04.000 --> 01:49:14.000
She died and the better health system is my hometown. Just like forcing There's so much otherness in that house.

536
01:49:14.000 --> 01:49:24.000
But you know it's a happy problem. It forces people to heal and I don't think it was people never imagined we would come back.

537
01:49:24.000 --> 01:49:35.000
So I don't know sometimes, it's a very nice thing of maybe it's a better, not maybe not emptiness, but the nest is progressive, it's open, you know, it's context based.

538
01:49:35.000 --> 01:49:44.000
Maybe this is not possible in your culture. But then maybe because I put in a lived spirituality to forgive.

539
01:49:44.000 --> 01:49:51.000
When I realised that forgiveness is a gift I don't give to the other. It's a gift I give to myself.

540
01:49:51.000 --> 01:49:56.000
So you notice that easy cooking breakfast for my stepmom whom I didn't like for 40 years.

541
01:49:56.000 --> 01:50:04.000
But then maybe there was really this and that my brother he has to heal also know he's a par So,

542
01:50:04.000 --> 01:50:12.000
And the question of the is when will When will autonomy and then begin? And that's very a mystery.

543
01:50:12.000 --> 01:50:20.000
And so maybe I realize maybe there is something mysterious and evidence based in every culture. I mean, yeah, I can't imagine.

544
01:50:20.000 --> 01:50:25.000
Or my daughter loves up there in Manila, but you would say, oh, are you here again?

545
01:50:25.000 --> 01:50:30.000
After 3 months, you know, and I would say, oh, I have a conference, but of course I would like to see her again.

546
01:50:30.000 --> 01:50:37.000
I would like to check, you know, if the boyfriends lived in her apartment, you know, that conservatism.

547
01:50:37.000 --> 01:50:42.000
But then. Yeah, maybe that's family life. I think, so thank you very much for this.

548
01:50:42.000 --> 01:50:50.000
I think many things to absorb from your good researchers. Thank you very much.

549
01:50:50.000 --> 01:51:17.000
Thank you. I think that's your right that this emptiness is like going more into life cycle studies like now we talk more about life curses and we all of us probably when we were recruiting presenting there were so many types of families that were joining the study like single parents, step parents, families, so you have so many children in different

550
01:51:17.000 --> 01:51:30.000
age and while to call them adult and living the nice and then like grandparents coming in so but what I did like was also this perspective of the house and the nest.

551
01:51:30.000 --> 01:51:34.000
That is changing or that as we called in cover it was so tired of so many people being again and again.

552
01:51:34.000 --> 01:51:50.000
So yes, thank you for this comment. I think it's really interesting. I know the time is finished but maybe Marta you would like to make the final summary sentence.

553
01:51:50.000 --> 01:52:12.000
Yeah, thank you all for the very interesting presentations and as Magda said, and as the last commenter said, we can see that this problem is is dynamic is relational and it's very complex and nuanced and I guess that's really emptiness probably it's not the best of wording.

554
01:52:12.000 --> 01:52:21.000
It's just, a phrase that we commonly used and it's a catchy phrase but it does not reflect all the complexity.

555
01:52:21.000 --> 01:52:36.000
Of the life course process. And, what else, we could see and we could hear during these presentations to me, is that we live in very uncertain and all the time changing.

556
01:52:36.000 --> 01:52:50.000
Circumstances and they really influence our family lives. So the constant feeling of crisis in so many contexts and ways.

557
01:52:50.000 --> 01:53:00.000
It's just. I think it relates so much to the family life and to the need, the constant need of support.

558
01:53:00.000 --> 01:53:17.000
So the family is like the place and the context in which we can somehow find refuge from the world which is constantly surprising.

559
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So it is very interesting, to me and, and, I'm sure for you as well to, listen to all these, presentations and I hope we will find each other presentations and I hope we will find each other again in in future and I hope we will find each other again in in future next conferences and and

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publications.