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Ok, we can have the official beginning, no problem. Hi, I'm Jan Fritz. And this is the Session. Springer's Clinical Sociology Book Series, celebrating the new books and submitting your proposal. We have a number of new books, so this isn't all of them. A couple of them are out already, and a couple are in the works, and we'll talk about that in a minute.

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But I want to talk first about submitting your proposal. You can write to me if you're interested. and I will be happy to communicate with you about a proposal you might have in the works. clinical sociology, as you know, is a creative humanistic, but also an interdisciplinary operation. So we have a wide range of books. For instance, there's one that's going to be coming out soon, called gardening behind bars

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and Vedet will be talking about mining in South Africa, so that should give you some idea. There must be a range here. Clinical sociology involves analysis as well as intervention on all the levels from individual to global. And so there are going to be differences, and we encourage people to be interdisciplinary both in their training and in their writing.

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So the series has a a broad scope to it. If you want to do a proposal first thing, just contact me and we can talk a little bit about it.

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Springer has it online, but I also have a copy I can send you of the proposal, and if you drew a draft proposal, I ask that you send it to me before you submit it to Springer. Just so we can take care of there any

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some things that I've noticed from previous book proposals, so that we can make it go smoothly through the process. It has been a real pleasure to work with Shin Jenny on these books. there' been a number of different production people involved, and there have been changes in Springer. But I think things have calmed down recently. it's very important that if you decide to do this, and you come up with a date for submission

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that you either stick with it or well in advance. Say that you find that you're going to need more time. For instance, the gardening behind Bars Project has to have an approval by the prison system that it's mostly about. So that's going to take some time, and you don't know if they're going to do that right now, or it's going to take some time before you get it back

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the same way People often think that they've got their authors lined up, and they're going to turn things in when they're supposed to anybody that's headed in a book knows that that doesn't seem to happen all the time. So as Ourrene's nodding here as is a milady so you. What you want to do is keep on track of what's going on. And again, if you need more time, because there

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scheduling production people So this is kind of in general about it. So it's a wide range We usually look for authors to have some standing in the field, or have published already. to be able to put a project in place sometimes, if you're just starting out, it's better to do a few articles about what you're interested in before you suggest a book project.

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and most of you know we have now the Clinical Sociology Review, which comes out of the University of Johannesburg press. And again, you can just go online to the University of Johannesburg Press. Sec. Journals, check journals, and under it you'll find the Clinical Sociology Review. You go immediately to it.

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So for someone who's just starting out, I think journals or chapters are the way to go and a little bit into your career, you want to start thinking about books? sometimes people think an edited book is simpler. Anybody that's edited a book. Yes, 150

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dying in the front row here. you know what I'm talking about. It's really difficult. And sometimes you've been very clear about what you were looking for, and the author was just as clear about what they were going to do, and it's not what you were talking about. So sometimes there's a lot of negotiation involved. I've been very pleased with the books that have come out of the series, and we're looking to expand it. Shin, Jenny, why don't you kind of come up and introduce yourself and talk a little bit about the series in a much nicer way than I just did.

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Hello, everyone! I'm Shinjini Chatuji. I'm based in Germany. I look after Springer's sociology program, and I manage the series.

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So Jan has already given you a briefing about the topic and the scope of the series. I don't need to talk about that. but from a publishing perspective. Yes, we start with the proposal form. Usually the process is that Jan will bet the proposal she might look at it herself and tell us it's okay, you can.

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you know, offer an agreement or ask us to get it peer-reviewed and get feedback, and then we go forward.

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So that's essentially the process. And after the agreement is done, then we send you the manuscript guidelines.

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So it's fairly straightforward and simple, and are for new scholars! particularly, it's important to tell you that we largely distribute via a package distribution through libraries.

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So once your book is published immediately, it's available everywhere across the world

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and in Ian and print copy. The print. Pricing is

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for libraries. However, if the book is available in the libraries and the packages, then students can order a my copy edition, which is like a personal paperback edition which they can buy for a much cheaper price. But for most people they don't really need to go through that because they they have institutional access, and they can just get the book free of cost

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 through through various search engine optimization techniques. We make sure that our books are well read, they're found across the globe. And increasingly, what we see is that

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you know readers don't come to publishers. Publishers need to be able to make themselves visible in an increasingly amorphous digital space.

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where there's an infinite number of books and articles and everything. We still need to be able to make ourselves found.

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And so we put a lot of emphasis on search engine optimization, so that if anybody is searching by keyword, then your book is first or second up on the Google search. Otherwise it just isn't found and read.

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So we try to do our best in order to make the books as widely available as possible, and also in terms of online search as discoverable as possible.

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so we work with you on that in terms of I'm pretty picky about book titles, and I keep working with you so that the right keywords are there in the in the title, so that the book can be found?

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so yeah, so basically, would you stay here just a couple seconds to answer some questions. Yes, sure. Now I know people ask me questions. The question is whether they'll ask you these questions. So are there any questions that somebody might like to ask?

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No, I guess I'm the person I'm always around to answer questions. I mean over email at any point. If somebody is an author or an editor of a book and they have not received it. And yet it's on display. What would you suggest? They do? A copy of the book. Yeah, they write to me, okay, yeah. So to write to you. And that will happen

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it should happen. So I've I've just answered Tina's question on that. Usually it's not because we haven't dispatched the copy. Usually it's because in some parts of the world registered post just doesn't reach

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the person intended. And then in those cases we need to career them.

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And usually we don't get to know whether that a person hasn't received it until they write to us.

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So that's the situation in a lot of the world register in that part of the world. You should be communicating with Chen Jennings. Exactly, and not the best way to get to you exactly, and I would also suggest, if your private addresses are not institutional addresses, because often they kind of reach the university and they just get lost there. So we get to know that it's reached

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even couriers. It's like that. So I would say that give you private addresses when you want to be sure that the copies will reach you

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another question people ask if it's an edited book. And you've got a chapter in it that's written by 2 people. Does only the senior author get a copy of the book, or, what is the wrong? Usually no. Usually we gave one copy, one print copy to everybody.

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unless if I had 15 of my best friends right with me. They would all get a free copy. Yes.

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yes. So the editor of the volume gets copied separately, and then all chapter authors get one copy. The exception is, if you have 50 authors, then we'll have to think about it, because but usually for edited volumes. We don't have that kind of number. If it's within a reasonable number, then we we certainly we give a print copies, and everybody gets E access. In any case.

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Is there anything we should know about that's going on with Springer these days that we happen to notice that there are only 2 book publishers at the venue downstairs. I will need to answer that. You'll have to ask Tasa about that. I just wonder I was very surprised that coming so that's I guess what I'm asking here.

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No, no, no, not at all, not at all. We have nothing to do with that. But yeah, one of the things we were thinking about was perhaps because it's Australia, and not a lot of people have their editorial offices here. We have sales officers, but not editorial offices.

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I'm not sure. I mean, a lot of the University presses have their offices in Sydney and Melbourne, but they haven't put up their boots. I don't know about that. And just Tasa will be concerned about you know who Springer. So we expect to see Springer at usual at the conferences. Then? Right? Yes, yes, hopefully, yes, thank you. Any other questions for our Springer editor.

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Yes, please. some greatly.

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Yeah. Also, one other point is that authors get 40% discount on there, and

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all allspring and nature books.

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I think some of my questions already answered, but the one question I wanted to ask also is just in terms of the libraries of the books go to. Are these also African universities?

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So we are really trying in.

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I know we have challenges in Africa and parts of Asia, particularly South Asia.

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because digital distribution is still a bit low. And we. But post pandemic, we've seen that a lot of libraries have faced challenges with the distribution. So we are now doing smaller and more customized packages for libraries with, you know, lesser budget to be able to buy E packages from us, because earlier, we used to

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only have these mega collections which then really big consortia would be able to afford. So in order to make books available in in countries which have less of funds we are trying all sorts of ways, and that's our aim to tie up as much as possible with local networks to make distribution possible, because, increasingly, you'll see, I'm in post panic. You've seen that publishers that only did print distribution have suffered terribly.

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and it's because we large digit e distribution. We could still manage the sale and everything, and reach books to all parts of the world.

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irrespective of anything. But I know where you're coming from. Your questions. Thank you. Anyone else have questions

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all right. Now, you remember, if you didn't ask. Ok, thank you. I appreciate your doing this. Thank you so much. And the reason we expected to have a display of books here. Why don't you say why the display is not here

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because the books were very popular. They all got picked up.

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We did a book give away At 40'clock, and the books got picked away, picked up before 40'clock, so there was nothing we could do about it. We see one in the back.

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Yes, thank you very much. Appreciate it, and I appreciate your coming to the session today. Very nice of you, and like I say, you do such good publicity. I think I'm going to invite you to everything.

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Our first presenter is Malati Juan, Malati Pouspa one, and her father, Khalim Juan, have written a book, clinical Sociology moving from theory to practice. and I'm asking her to give us maybe 15Â min. If that's okay. An introduction to the book. The idea is just to show you the variety that that we have. And if you'd mentioned this book is being translated into another language which is really nice.

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If you talk about that, too. Thank you.

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Okay. So thank you so much. Professor, and for all participants who are here and online. so if you don't mind. I thought of sharing a little bit about the present.

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about the book, so I sort of like extract it from Chapter 6. so a little bit about that as part of content. And then, if you don't mind, I also like to just show the kind of work that we do online, so that then it can sort of make sense in terms of what do we mean by moving material to practice? And of course I'll be more than happy to chat more about it.

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So my name is Malati. I'm from Dallas University, and this is my father. Such a honor and privilege for me to be able to co-author this with him.

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so basically, I'm just excited to know that we have a lot of clinical sociologies around. But in case this book is really meant for us to sort of like convert other sociologists. To say that you know, clinical sociology is the way to go, because we do have to move beyond theory, especially for those who are coming from

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developing countries or other countries that has a lot. A lot of social issues and are not being tackled properly, and we've highlighted a lot of these big names. who have been championing for clinical sociology. So this is not anything new at all. And I'm just highlighting a few people here, you know people, for for example, X, one who say that you know we have to come out the closet. For example, you know, sociologies come out, clos it get things done. People should know what we can do. Our people are being small, who talks about wisdom from knowing

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that has to be combined with wisdom, comes from doing so, that have to come hand in hand. Collins, in 1,986. Talk about, you know, if we don't do that. how we would tend to lose interest? especially when we have a lot of students. And even we see this even in Malaysia, that students tend to when they join sociology. They say because they want to make change. They want to do something, and yet.

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if the sociology that we offer don't prepare them for that, then we have a lot of people who sort of dwindles away from sociology. And this is what Kenneth said in 1,990, I think this is also still very, very much evident, maybe not so much in the States. But let's say, in Malaysia, for example.

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we have lost a lot of monopoly. People don't know what sociologists can do. So you know areas like, for example, criminology. So now they're setting up a new first one, you know, a criminology in Malaysia. And yet we don't

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have sociologies on it

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because people don't even know what sociologists can do. So we are trying to go out there and really lobbying what sociologists can do. And one of the good idea that was raised. And again, this is not.

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This has been already highlighted in 1,982 by Worth, who talks about social cleaning. So we highlighted in this book. One of an example, because sometimes, you know, when it is such a big idea. Oh, let's do this, let me exchange. What do we do? So we try to give an an example. And again, not a new one. Social cleaning. Who talks about, you know where width talks about such a clinic in a sense that

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it is a cleaning.

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People come with an issue or a problem. But we won't say, only sociologists can handle this problem. We need all the great minds together to be working hand in hand. And I think throughout the R. C. 46 sessions. You see this over and over again. People are doing in medical sciences. For example, you work closely with nutritionists, Genesis, the

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genetics expert, but we also work with our other, a psychology, psychiatry, social worker. So the whole idea is so that we have a place where individuals can come. Society can be managed, any social issues could be handled there. And this is crucial in the developing society. This is the argument that we are making

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in countries that don't have good resources.

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We have inadequate resources. So for you to expect probably government to be putting in a lot of effort for the community to really address all the social issues. something's a bit difficult. So what we usually trying to promote here is that if you're a sociologist in an area that you have to sort of

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make that change because you can't expect somebody else doing it. and we are the ones that can sort of normalize. And people with problems are not problematic. They are not deviant. Sometimes it is a labeling, sometimes it's just excess, and sometimes they just don't understand. So if you have a single mother

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people, you guys, you talk about loan mandates. You know, we talk about people with drug ideas, people with sickle cell. When people talk about it as a pathological issue, it becomes another issue altogether. So what we are trying to say is that if you don't have sociologists who will be working with

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the medical scientist. For example, the issue would be taken in a very different extreme. So clinical sociologist is much needed, and when we have social cleaning. The good thing is, the society is the clinic.

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So I don't just necessarily need one place where you just come. We can just have a a whole community that could be the clinic. And I'll show you an example what we do in Malaysia. But you could have the whole society. That's a clinic. So that means every single person there could be the client.

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So we don't necessarily just wait for people to come to the clinic, because sometimes even they don't know what to do. So this is an example. And we've mentioned this also in our book. where we have this project a social clinic that we do it in Asia, of course, superheaded by my father is called the Pinfas Project.

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It. That means sort of like a shortcut, you know, so shortcut people just come here. You get your problem set up. The good thing is, this was a fully funded one by the government, and at that point. It was sponsored by the Ministry of Finance, who at that point a minister is our current Prime Minister. so so he. So now we are trying to lobby again to see if we could try to get other projects now up or running because he supported this about what 20 odd years ago.

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So basically, what we did was in that particular community.

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Every issues in that community is being dealt with in that community. So we have this area. So we have groups. Let's see single mothers where we have empowerment program. I'll talk a little bit about this in and on this slide we did on drop edits. So again, people would just shoot them away usually. But we say that now, especially when it is supported by one another. And how do they

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get reintegrated in a society because you usually no marriage. Nobody wants to be their neighbor. Nobody want to purchase anything from them, because if you are that extra edit. So how do we do this? So that is what we call the, you know, the social normalization component of things. We do a lot of social integration and component, where by every project we do, we have to make sure that we cut across religion gender, political group, we do that all the time, for example, even basic health programs

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bring people together. Disability. We do things like computer classes. We get the older people, especially the community leaders, you know, trying to be computers. And in the young people come and teach the all the people, you know, basic things like that. But it really brings people together. so about 41 papers will really will create that based on this project papers for the government. So we actually did this. social clean? It was a

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but of course, with the change of political leaders change this support of the project, too. and in this book. We also highlighted

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the voices from Asia and Africa to who talks about how we really really need this. And again, this is not something new back in 1,975 in India, for example, Mohan talks about how

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the country has a lot of change with change.

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People need support. And how do we do this? If sociologies don't play its role

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in Pakistan? Similarly, questions like sociology for one, there's a lot of opportunities. There's a lot of grants given. But once you get that, grant

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what you do, you know, if you can't just do research and it just give it to the government, some of them not going to do anything. in Egypt says again, sociologists have failed to take more active role than just research and problem is you give the research to the policymakers. What do they do? Many at times? That is just being put on a shelf.

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dumbly. In 1,977. When India talks about, we have a huge role playing to play in identifying the soft spots. What are exactly the problem? This is the strength of sociologists in Malaysia. Of course you look at the name. That's not not Malaysian, but they. They did show that in Malaysia, for example, there are changes in the nineties

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whereby there are changes, there are some far better access. There are people involving such activism, and you know there are some changes. But is it good enough

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that has not been well documented? And then you see these also? in South East Asia generally. For example, you talk about how the Asian countries don't talk to one another. In Indonesia. You talk about sensitive issues. Nobody want to really want to talk about it. Lgbtq. Everybody just stupid under the cup. But why? Because they's going to be problematic, because it's a Muslim country. And yet we have those issues. How do we address that right and talks in from South Africa and say that you know, if you

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you work on certain issue, it has to be something real like, you know. Don't keep you at a superficial level. otherwise you'll be as try as tests.

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So that is Those are the ideas that we've picked out. And I I also just would like to show what are the kind of things that we can do. So again, it is applied work. We are also not just looking theory. We do a lot of project on the ground. So this is an example. so for If people who joined the history session the other day, I talk a lot of the projects that my father have spearheaded. but today are we talking about me.

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that kind of work. clinical work that I do in Malaysia. So one of the things that I've been quite actively involved is on with the deaf community. So, as you can see in the picture, there is our community meeting. So I was appointed as a Vice President for an association for the Death, and everybody else is death except for me. I'm the only hearing person, and when I get to that one of the things that I really would like to do is really to cross over. So.

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for example, we had like this project that the Government wanted to do, to improve the deaf education, because they usually don't pass the basic Malay language as well. History. And you cannot get your high school certificate because of that. So do you like? Oh, we have to do something for the deaf people, and then they have the meeting. Not a single deaf person in the meeting.

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and I'm like, how can how can we do this like? The first thing we have to do is bring the deaf people in to hear what they say. They should know better, you know, so that that kind of much. That's what we do. That's a lot of case management that I do with the deaf.

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Yes, I could sign Malaysian sign language. So, for example, I have rape keys, and I was surprised. So the person she was like. Oh, you know, can I can I can. I see you, you know, when I have a chat? Oh, my God! I want to talk to you. Okay, sure talk. And she was like, Oh, yeah, you know, I was raped 3 years ago.

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I'm like, okay, 3 years ago. Okay, so what now? So now she's saying like, I don't even know what to do. I'm so traumatized by the legal system. You can't even come. We can't report it now, because you have to report it within that few weeks after you're being read. After that you don't have evidence. we can't do anything, even though she can tell you. This is my ex-boyfriend. And this happened during the pandemic, you know, and she's there, she can't shout, she can't get help, she can't leave, you know. And she said, how do I even get help at that point? So

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so you know, I was working with her. And, however, how to manage that, for example, blackmailing this person during Not just necessarily with Covid. Didn't have money, was trying to help other people. Somebody say, Okay, so I've been helping you with money. Why don't you give me a top less picture? You know she did that it was blackmail don't know what to do, but these are the conversations that

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we don't have, and the deaf people, for example, are not even exposed to. Why? Because we don't have this interaction. So as a clinical sociologist, I find cases like this very powerful, and I always Now try to integrate some of the counselors, some of the psychiatrists, and you know, how can we work alongside with them. We also do things like a global classroom, for example, where we expose students 150.

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So I was fortunate to be able to do this with pro Johanna in Japan. to your university, as well as proof-marieam sedat with cuz. I know that we bring our students. We had, I think, about

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40 students. That was part of that project. So they do this workshop for the deaf, not just Malaysian death, but a global deaf. So we have an international interpreter, Malaysia, and deaf innovator who during the session the students spoke.

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and then they have that into pertain. They were like, you know. Oh, my God, it's so cool, you know. I've never seen this. So you know, we get to get them to expose this on the issues that is really highlighted by the deaf community, and we all now, every time that we have a workshop, for example, eradicating poverty workshop, we have a sign language interpreter. We got a business companies to actually sponsor that because nothing is free in Asia, so we have to do that. We even have You know. I also do some workshops, for example, with them.

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so we also work with the single mothers, for for example, you know. So for the single mothers. This is this has been gone on for like 25 years, where we

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taught them how to go into the court system, and these are Muslim single mothers, because it is a sharia call system, which is a bit different. So what happens is we teach them to go in and fight for their own cases. Don't use your lawyers, because many times the lawyers go in. They sleep on in in during the session.

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and then your case is gone. So we actually encourage them to go in, learn your rights, fight for yourself, and so far not a single of 25 years, not a single case lost.

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Every women who go in there fought for themselves against the husband's lawyer, because the husband will always bring in lawyer, and these are usually the timid ones who come in, you know, like crying, don't know what to do. Go in there. They fought for their cases, and they've never lost a recent one that she just won. She won 300,000 against the husband. She won the case, and these women will come together and support one another. So again we are the catalysts.

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community they tend to have. Sometimes even the police and Ngos don't even go there because these have very high crime area. So I'm supposedly not safe. But what we did was that we work with an assembly man. After this I'll just show you like a short tick-pop video. So this assembly man is really cool. His name is so I, B. Halimi, and he is very supportive. So we go to him and say that, okay, we can

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develop this sort of like our social clinic concept. We can go to the community whatever that is needed. We will walk around that, and he will say, Ok, I'll give you the most difficult community company. No man go there. So we work with him. We work with the community leaders. And again, community leaders. You have to have like a different starting points, because otherwise they will only help their own people. So we have a few different points, and then we get some even celebrity. So you see the picture at the bottom here. she's one of our famous celebrities here. And one thing that we learn about when we go into this community, because they're very suspicious.

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Why, I'm coming to my community. What do you want from me? And usually people go in there before? elections? again, you'll divide people again, because for political reasons. So we go in there. You say we are from a university, and we are here just to sort of support. So they started off with, they said, okay, we should do either a performance thing or a sports thing. We have to start with that first. So we did this first one called the fit ria. So this is like an exercise. So she is a Yoga instructor

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in Malaysia. So with the is Yoga Session, where we have the people coming in, and then we also open 2 booth, one on period. Poverty. To give you an alternatives to pet, and another one is for mental health. So we have some psychology master's students in clinical psychologists as counseling psychology. They open up their booth in case they want to come and just try to do something, so we can't just say, Oh, you know, come and test your mental well-being. Nobody gonna come. So we have that little boot. So after they do this with the exercise. especially the young ones. They move around and they learn so

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upcoming one, we will do entrepreneurship. We will be working with a prison to to get them to stay away, so if they are not interested to sort of improve your well-being, at least you go. Don't get to prison the kind of alternative career as well as a kind of training for community leaders. One

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what we really need to do. And I think if you guys were at the certification session, you know how the the program that we develop if you want to get it certified, too. You should have at least some form of some practicality, and really addressing real questions. Even you do a study. You do research. You know, how is that research would be impactful. So this is something that we really needed to really look into the programs that we have

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also that they are ready to address challenging social issues. We have to understand that many at times. If you just speak to any student going into sociology, ask them, why are you in sociology? Chances are they will tell you they want to make change. They want to improve the situation, and if we don't provide that to them. They get really, really disheartened, and then they want to with it eventually. And if the students are funded.

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oftentimes they want to see what's the Roi, you know I'll send you here. What do we get? If the government fund? You chances are they might want you to help them out later on to address some of these issues. So this is one of the things very, very important for us to look at a curriculum and 2 in terms of job market. So we have to also ensure. And I think that question popped up also during their certification. So where are the students? Can they do anything else beyond academia. So if we can do that.

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then we can show that sociology is really relevant, clinical. So really relevant, really needed. And it's something that we do so. This is some, some basic idea that we have highlighted that. And I will end this with sociological concepts are made for use, not for show by Marshall in 1,963, and I I thank you for that. So I think that if this

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intrigue you Do check out the book. we are really, really excited. on this, and we hope there are more and more people who subscribe to this ideology and a lot more collaboration that we can do across a different country. Thank you.

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I think you'll be able to answer that better. So that translation. So we are very fortunate that I think one thing good about our publishing with Springer is. It's so hassle free in a sense that you get support super easy. I've never met her, but she answers all my questions and every queries I have so, and the promotion was done pretty well, so much so that it's now been translated into Turkish.

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But at this point I think that in the midst of doing that translation I have not received any other, I think it has not been published. Right?

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Yeah. But we already have that interested person who would like to translate that into Turkish, and that is ongoing. And how is it to do your research with your father?

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Oh, this is really amazing to you know. Do you know I I have this idea in my mind. I spoke to this. some of known professors in in Malaysia, and you were like Matthi. You have to now start interviewing your father. You have now to start documenting the work of your father, and

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in my case it's so easy because he's already documenting it himself. So now, after we finish this, we have 2 other upcoming books. now, about 61 is about 90% ready, another one about 60 70. So because after we finished this book, when we did some boot reviews, we're going around talking to people about it. And they said that, so how do you get that? So now we have the second

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up upcoming book. I'll probably come and talk to your engineer after this. so how do you get that? So the the journey of developing that. And another one is the how to.

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So it is about 60% already. The how 2 relatively big books. So it's really a bliss because I go up listening to him at a dining table. He'll be talking about, you know. transsexuals HIV patients, people with disability. I grow up with that and for him, because he's so clear in what he does.

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This is such a breeze for me, and is such a huge privilege for me. Thank you for asking, and thank you for this opportunity. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you.

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Serene. Do you want to come up?

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I had the pleasure of knowing Melody's father. but I did not know Zareen, and she contacted me. I didn't even know what was going on in New Zealand. That's one of the pleasures of running a book series. So I'm looking forward to the presentation and for her book to be distributed.

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Thank you so much. Please introduce yourself. Tenakoto, Tenakoto, tenacoto Katoa. Good evening, everyone. It's a pleasure to be here today. My name is Serene Rocha, and I'm from the University of Auckland in altero and New Zealand.

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and with my co-editor, Kathy Davidson, who couldn't be here today. Unfortunately, we've just finished our book applied in clinical sociology in altero and New Zealand, which is being published by Springer in their wonderful series.

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and we've been very grateful for the support that we've had from Jan and from Shinjini. It's been really a wonderful process. Having worked with a number of publishers. I I really recommend this particular one.

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this volume, it it basically brings together social scientists from around alterations, exploring the the applications and the practice of sociology. In this quite unique context, it draws on a range of backgrounds and specializations. And we look at how sociology is utilized in our country, and what makes sociology clinical in this particular context.

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sociology has a long and varied history in altero. And we hope that this book contributes to the global study of sociological practice.

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Our collection of chapters is, it's very much a product of these pandemic times. It's it's been seeking answers to questions that feel a lot more pressing for us. What is the point of sociology in Altieroa? What are we, as sociologists doing, to facilitate change in our country.

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And of course, sociological practice is as old as sociology itself, and this volume tries to trace its development within our small, quite isolated context.

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as thorns suggests. The edges, like New Zealand, are a good place to view global local interconnections. And we'd work for these chapters to draw out the importance of these interlinkages.

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I think these chapters illustrate how sociology can be decolonized and reclaimed across societies and populations to shape locally oriented and even more powerful. I think sociological practices

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so give just to give you a bit of background about altero and New Zealand. It's a country of just over 5 million people in the Southern Pacific.

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It's got quite a diverse multicultural population within a bicultural national framework. We have just over 70% of the population identifying as New Zealand, European or Pakiha, 16.5%. As Maori, 15.1 is Asian and 8.1 as pacific peoples.

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The name I'm using here for the country is important in itself. We've deliberately chosen to name the country in both official languages, in Terrey, Omari, and in New Zealand, English as Altero and New Zealand.

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so we use, both without a hyphen and without an either or both languages together, to represent the bicultural reality of the state, and seeking to decolonize our ways of knowing and doing

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so, that the Tangata Fenwa, the people of the land, the indigenous people of the country, were very well established in alter, or when at the time of British settlement in the 18 hundreds, and they had and still have, very different understandings around land ownership and control land has, great spiritual, cultural, and symbolic importance.

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and that culminated in the 1,840 signing of the Treaty of Whitehang, which is our founding document and the colonial annexation of the Territory.

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Contemporary Altiero and New Zealand is distinctly multicultural, and we have complex migration flows within this bicultural national framework, and it it sets the country apart from many others, I think

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over the past years, particularly with the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic New Zealand has been increasingly set apart on the global stage with a strong public health response and one of the lowest mortality rates in the world.

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But while the positive outcomes of this pandemic response were were tangible. The response itself had a lot of problems, and it lacked a lot of sensitivity to the cultural and socioeconomic realities of the Maori and Pacific people in the country.

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So we found that the practice of sociology in Altieroa must take into account these diverse experiences needs to apply sociology in ways which are aware of global processes. But equally how these processes are filtered through local realities and structures.

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So all our contributors felt very strongly that sociology is more than just theory. Sociology really matters in everyday life.

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And using Jan's lovely definition of clinical sociology, we sought to apply this across the volume, acknowledging that even when the term clinical is not used, the applications and the reality, the practice of sociology can be very powerful.

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of course, and in many places. Sociology is clearly labeled as a practice, but we found, as we went through the chapters, as as our authors did, their research, that this isn't always the case in altera.

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so we left it up to each contributor to decide how they referred to the sociological practice they were talking about. So some talked about applied sociology. Others spoke about clinical sociology, and one contributor chose to focus this chapter around public sociology

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and this highlighted for us that the practice of sociology has various names and nuances in altered our, of course, drawing on the drive of sociologists, as Melati said, to make the world a better place.

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Applications of sociology are, of course, underpinned by the idea that all individuals are social and that could mean different things in different contexts. and everyone is located in an influence by these social contexts.

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Sociology, as a discipline, has has its foundations in New Zealand, and the development of the social sciences that took place in the late nineteenth century, Europe and England.

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the late 1,950 to the 1960 s. Are the sort of the founding decade of sociology in New Zealand, and have become the basis for the subsequent development of the discipline.

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The Sociological Association of Australia and New Zealand was founded in 1,963, and this changed names to the Sociological Association of Alteroa, New Zealand, and 1988, when the 2 countries formed separate associations.

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as in many other contexts, sociologists in New Zealand have maintained quite a strong sense, I would say, of disciplinary identity within the universities. But this sense of identity has been more difficult for those outside of academia, for those more on the margins.

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And recently local sociologists have been reflecting more explicitly on what a sociology of N. 4 in New Zealand might look like.

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A feature of of post-colonial, colonial. New Zealand, like other colonialist, projects has been a neglect of of its own socio-cultural characteristics, its assumptions, and the silences that often go along. This go along with this so

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much research in New Zealand is funded by the State, and the research agenda can then experience quite a high level of vulnerability. very much depending on the push and pull of the current political agendas.

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The neoliberal turn, of course, has affected higher education. New Zealand and sociology has been particularly affected. leading to an increase in precarious employment, which is often very gendered and racialized.

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The pervasive influence of neoliberal policies in our institutes of higher Education and the universities has created quite a lot of tension and how social theory is taught. And it's resulted in questions about whether these independent programs continue to be viable. Actually, just in the last week. Several of the universities in the country have announced they'll be cutting 250 jobs at the universities, and almost all of these are within the humanities and the social sciences.

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And of course, these kind of things aren't aren't unique to New Zealand, and they're part of a global picture which privileges, some forms of knowledge and research and practice over others, and that sees merit in a move towards closer linkages between research and policy, but only when done in a particular way, with a fairly narrow, narrow definition of what counts as an acceptable evidence base.

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So we have an interesting history of sociology in alteroa, and I think an interesting set of applications that we found. But we did also find that a lot of contemporary sociologists are frustrated, that sociology lacks a public voice.

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and as policy priority shifts as governments change, the importance of social research and practice can be lost.

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But the discipline itself is quite limited in its practice and application. For example, the majority of professional sociologists in Al-qaeda, Apakia.

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could look like. And I really like Sri Lanka. Now piece in Simon Barber's description of sociological research and practice becoming a unique expression of this place.

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for sociology to remain a vital voice in the years to come it must be transformed by its encounter with other ways of thinking, learning, and knowing. If the sociological imagination is to be opened by a perspective on itself other than its own.

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Then the primary relationship it must develop in alter era is with the long memory and thinking of this place that Maori good voice to.

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So we found in this book that significant social challenges face alter, or and as one of our contributors all Spoonly describes rising to the challenges of these times is an exciting, challenging, terrifying place to be. But isn't it exactly where sociology ought to be?

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So I'm going to give you just a quick overview of the chapters that we have in the volume. So you can see the diversity of contributors and topics that we were lucky enough to bring together.

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So the first chapter is by Paul Spoonly. It's on making a difference. And Paul outlines the idea of a public sociology in what it means. Why, it matters, and how sociological practice can lead to transformation. So he's speaking from personal experience because he's one of Altero's most publicly recognized sociologist. He's off in the news. You know, he makes comments on

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drawing out the potential of public sociology to make a difference in everyday life. We then have a lovely chapter by our Nuis Tehuya.

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talking about the importance of a sociological lens and understanding Maori identity.

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Her peace emphasizes the history and importance of Maori culture in Alteroa and the ongoing impacts of colonial harm for indigenous ancestral language learners in the country and in this colonial settler society.

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The next chapter is mine, and it keeps the focus on the individual social interplay exploring the idea of a a sociologically informed psychotherapy or sociotherapy, as many other people have described in the context of altero and New Zealand. So this chapter describes the

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the holistic approach to therapy which can be found grounded in copper, Maori and Maori ways of knowing and doing things. And the important way is that seeing clinical sociology and sociotherapy through this, the slightly different lens of indigenous knowledge. It shifts the focus of therapy to the interconnections and complex positioning.

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It's working with people rather than working on people, I think, have paraphrased Jen there for that.

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Robert did Robert Diddham's chapter follows, and he provides a detailed case study of the clinical sociology. but to inter of intersections between policy, identity categories and labeling. So he explores the frames within which clinical sociology and clinical sociologists operate in altar

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his wealth of practical experience and forms, his nuanced discussion of categorizing ethnic identity. Robert's done a lot of work on the census and with statistics, New Zealand. So he does a lot of very practical policy work.

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and he highlights how research on pacific populations tends not to adequately take into account the cultural and social diversity within the populations. and it can also ignore the ways in which other populations of interest can intersect with these

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chapter 7. moves towards healthcare, research and practice in alterra, and it's written by a leading sociologist and practitioner in the field. Kevin Dew.

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He clearly outlines how the sub discipline of the sociology of health has had a very strong presence in New Zealand, and he traces the long history of research and policy work on medical and Sociological Health concerns.

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So his chapter highlights the importance of sociological work in illuminating systemic racism and the inequalities faced by the Maori population, and how such research can have key practical outcomes.

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We stay in the field of health care for chapter 8 with Amy B. Simpson providing a detailed dramaturgical analysis of health, lifestyle and body size in health care settings.

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She applies a really interesting sociological lens to health care, particularly the meanings of fat and healthy, and she explores how these beliefs contribute to a stigmatizing health care environment in which fat people must navigate assumptions about their health status and lifestyle habits in the process of accessing care. I found her case studies really interesting. She's got some wonderful interviews in this piece

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and some really practical policy recommendations and the changes. She. She draws on urban Government's framework and carefully outlines how fat people perform health in order to overcome the barriers that they face in health care, and how they have to put on a convincing health care performance in order to access just basic health care and treatments and tests.

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bringing together key threads of sociological practice across levels of analysis. So her chapter traces her. Her own personal story, which is is very interesting, of applying sociology to her psychotherapeutic work. She she's a practicing psychotherapist as well.

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She questions limitations around what is and is not sociological and what is and is not psychological, and she entertains the possibility of incorporating both together to support the emergence of something new.

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we think that the practical uses and future potential for clinical and applied sociology and altered are vast. The clinical applied, and public sociology illustrate how human life and social concepts they're not limited to a single method of explanation or analysis.

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and really, importantly, clinical sociology. It doesn't seek to work in contradiction to other approaches, disciplines, or or even methods. So in in alterra and elsewhere. We believe that in addressing practical change in everyday life it's impossible to delineate clear boundaries. And this is actually a strength, not a weakness.

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So it's eloquently described in the of Fakatoki, the proverb by the late Maori language, and Tikanga expert kuku-tiracateni

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ecore e tayya tefeno cotagi iterara itefariki Gymorchio tato, which means the tapestry of understanding, cannot be woven by one strand alone.

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Oh, Interesting question! This was trickier than I thought it would be. I think it was the most difficult edited volume I've done, but I think that was partly just because of the times that we live in. People are very overloaded, and

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things are just a little bit harder. I would say, be very organized, and, as Jen said, allow people a lot of time and ask for extensions early, if you need them.

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Okay. The book examines the power of institutional review boards, the equivalent research ethics, committees and presents detailed analyses of 6 controversial and ethically questionable studies, the Us. Public health service. Tuskegee, Civilist, study the Wichita jury, study Stanley Milgram's Obedience to authority, Laud Humphrey's Tea Room trade, and Philip Simbarrow's Stanford Prison Experiment.

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finishing with the Anomami controversy and anthropology. Many of you who have suffered through psychology and sociology courses. One or more of these should be something that you had something about. And the interesting thing about Harry is a very detailed person, so he didn't like what a lot of what he'd seen written about it. He felt it was almost. These are my words, sort of public relations, rather than an accurate depiction

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he says, I am a Professor emeritus of Sociology at Michigan State University and served for 5 years as the director of the Michigan State Bioethics Humanities and Society Program. I worked on evaluations for the Wk. Kellogg Foundation, the Michigan Department of Community Health and the World Health Organization, Europe. He received the American Sociological Association.

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he says, over the years I worked with a series of Irb institutional review board chairs.

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Some were very helpful, while others were uncompromising. A few left Michigan State to work with the Federal Office for protection from research risks or its successor, the Office for Human Research Protections. I was required to take online human resource protection tutorials to be a certified researcher. Some of you have gone through that at your universities, and others like me. Avoid them.

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the tutorials would describe a controversial study like Milgram's obedience to authority, and then point out its ethical shortcomings as a graduate student at the University of Chicago. I had a social psychology class with Fred Strawbeck.

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He had worked on the W. To jury study and sent his class to a talk given by Stanley Milgram in 1,964. These experiences led me to question descriptions and assessments of controversial controversial studies in the online tutorials and the Institutional Review board Member Handbook.

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describe the context of the studies, and or whether the proposed research addressed any perceived ethical issues before the tutorials pointed out the study's deficiencies. A colleague compared these tutorials to Aesop's Fables, in which one or 2 paragraphs lead to an inevitable moral and ethical conclusion.

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I strongly support research protections including certification of researchers and irb members and staff, as well as the accreditation of research institutions. However, the tutorials and handbooks should explain, but not retrospectively apply current ethical guidelines and regulations to controversial Us. Social science studies conducted before the Belmont Report in 1,979.

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The report identified the 3 core principles of respect for persons, beneficence and justice, and the 3 primary ethical requirements of informed consent, an assessment of risks and benefits, and the equitable selection of so subjects.

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research protections, and procedures should be effective and efficient. I argued that whenever possible, an institution's Irs should not make decisions based solely on a case by case basis, but should also consider precedent.

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that is, previous decisions on similar research protocols with identical or similar hypotheses, theories, methods, and or ethical issues. A case-by-case decision-making process may result in inconsistent decisions which may become known to colleagues whose proposals are rejected. These researchers can only appeal to their institutional's Irview panel

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45 C. F. R. 46 is a section of the U. S. Code of Federal regulations governing the protection of human subjects. It is known as the common rule, and has been adopted by 20 Federal departments and agencies. It contains requirements for institutional review boards, informed consent and institutional compliance with the regulations.

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Something where you can appeal it in 2,012, I decided to write a book. Notice the year 2,012, I decided to write a book expanding on my papers on controversial Social science studies.

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I needed an editor to provide feedback on the structure of the chapters and their interconnections as well as their flow and internal logic. A lot of people don't think about considering an editor. He thought for him that this was really important. Remember, he's a detail oriented person, and sometimes, when you're writing, the details are so overwhelming that people would lose track of where the storyline is. So he felt he needed an editor.

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an editor should challenge the author and ask hard questions about the author's descriptions, conclusions, and interpretations of the theories, methods, and findings of prior research on the topic. And editors should point out areas of text that could be rewritten to improve, flow and cohesion as well as errors in grammar, spelling, and punctuation.

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I initially worked with Ruth hammer and Gauss, of ruthless editing, interesting editing name, ruthless editing through 2,015. At that point efforts to change the Federal regulations for the protection of human subjects and research were stalled. The regulations were finally revised in 2,018. They explicitly excluded certain social science, research methods and activities from undergoing any type of Irb review process to determine their status.

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She made sure I identified all individuals, for example, who was Kurt Levin clarified on clear examples, explained statistical differences for undergraduate and lay readers and incorporated important dates in the history of controversial studies. She critically reviewed Chapter 2 on the History of Us. Social Science regulations and Chapter 3.

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Irbs and Police powers, the intersection of Law and ethics, potential authors and editors should meticulously follow the Springer Checklist

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when preparing their book manuscript for publication. I see Shin Jinny smiling at this point. They should be sure to include the specified items in the front matter, have references at the end of each chapter, and a single index for the whole book. A lot of authors think that each chapter should have an index rather than one at the end of the book, and she's talking about Springer and what they expect.

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on behalf of Harry. Thank you very much.

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Vidette Bester: Okay. fantastic. Thank you so much. Goodbye, colleagues. I'm Dr. Bate, based from the University of Johannesburg, and it is an absolute pleasure to be here today, even if it is for me virtually. And today's presentation is titled crossing mineral borders and boundaries. I look at Artisle mining in South Africa.

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Vidette Bester: and we will be taking a closer look at in the artisanal mining sector, which is also a book in my, which is also a chapter in my book.

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Vidette Bester: suggest some key points, and an overview of is A. M. Is a long-lude strategy for an isominated 40 million people worldwide and more. Over 150 million people depend on is a across it. Countries in the global South.

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Vidette Bester: In South Africa the legislation focuses mindly on small and industrialized mining, and then leaving the artisanal miners to operate in an illegal or informal manner, unregulated artisanal, minus they mind without any mining permit, or license, and mind living they be, they get described as being violent criminal men who have illegally immigrated to South Africa. One.

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Vidette Bester: So the process to obtain a mining permit requires extensive capital and technical resources of which the miners do not have access to. So these financial requirements are too steep for them to to meet, and they provide, they in mind without a mining permit, and this provides barriers to prospective miners living with extreme poverty, unemployment, and desperation.

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Vidette Bester: So the sector, mainly has a lot of challenges and issues. And just some of these challenges and issues, as far as so most of the time that this will mine is utilize now protective gear.

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Vidette Bester: This increases the the danger level, and the gold or seasonal mining sector is notorious for its severe dangers and negative health impacts.

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Vidette Bester: In a research reporting to 2,020 by action, I documented that when the miners were asked about the working conditions. Most of respondents in the gold mining sector say that they were not happy with the working conditions in contrast to the diamond or Tesla mining sector where most of the respondents, 90% were satisfied with their working conditions.

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Vidette Bester: Just further on, the challenges artisanal and small scale gold mining is regarded as the primary source of mercury in the global atmosphere. So the use of mercury has an immense impact on the minus health, and from our field experiences our protective gear is ever used by the artisanal miners when they handle mercury, and the miners are often ignorant about the dangers and the use of mercury

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Vidette Bester: When we start to look at women in the sector, it becomes very interesting. So it's just a an over beer. It has been reported that the global artists are on and small scale. Gold mining workforce comprises 30% of women and 40 to 50% in Africa. the the health and safety and environmental issues and issues around conflict and violence impacts women differently than men

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Vidette Bester: erez agmoni. So these differences and nuances should be considered when researching the matter, and when developmental initiatives are developed to support any formalization process, even though women are highly prevalent in artisanal mining sectors. In the autism mining sector, there is a mess. I can believe, especially in South Africa, that only men are involved in the Zamazama mining sector one.

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Vidette Bester: So on day challenges Some key challenges that I face is in terms of agenda division of lava to Jane the Norms restricted access to capital and resources and specific health and safety issues, including the issue of sexual harassment, and women are seldom recognized as minors, although some but I can, digging, slousing, slashing, and separating the gold and burning of Mulligan

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Vidette Bester: we are working with him, but I don't go on the ground, so I do the prushing. So when we look at the role of women in artisanal mining, women are often part of a crushing of all. The crushing of all serves as the first step when they always brought up from underground by the miners. So the research participants are interviewed. To confirm this, as we can see on the slide, and this finding is in line with the literature as outlined in terms of gender divisions of library, which also slides into women, often do the Prushing.

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Vidette Bester: So in March, earlier this year I returned to the field to to conduct interviews with women, Zamazz, Alamas, and surprisingly in contrast to earlier findings and for literature. The women's amaz at this particular site indicated that they are experiencing fewer or few challenges, and when asked about the challenges that the participants were on anonymous in the experiences 250

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Vidette Bester: So I calculated during the field visits in in in in South South Africa in March this year shows that women's Alma's are doing this because they are getting more money than they would have if they did domestic work. So the money they earn through the artisanal mining sector is enough to assign their families. One's Amazon. A woman explained that she left a domestic job, and through the school and moved to a way to where she is currently as an Asama Minor. At the following to sign.

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Vidette Bester: she says, I have been working in crickets all but the money. It was sick. It was too small. By the time I was working day I couldn't afford to buy kids for school fees and rains and transport and even food. I was suffering. That is why I decided to leave. And when I started this. But since I have started to work this, everything is going well back to normal. Very well.

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Vidette Bester: 1,980, which is just over a hundred Us. Dollars, and the domestic wage in South Africa currently is 25 rant and 42 cents, which is one dollars and 50 cents. So for 5, if you work for 5,008Â h a day for a month, you will only earn 4,000 brand as a domestic worker.

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Vidette Bester: it is my first time to do this. I don't know if it will assign me and the kids. I'm trying to make a living because I see other women making a living out of this. I'm still learning, and I'm still new. But I saw no other option, because I have been trying to find work and did not get work. So I ended up deciding to do this.

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Vidette Bester: But clearly there is still those responses. When it comes to women in artists or mining. The women themselves cited that they see this as a viable means to Michael living, and the difies few or few work challenges that some of the literature points out. I ask a key informant to explain this to me, and if I say that as Amazon's sides are different, and that the challenges women fights will depend on various factors, such as demographic authenticity and locality.

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Vidette Bester: So a narrow focus on women's experiences limits women's to the position of victims, disregarding the active role that women voluntarily seek and play in mining, and at least until very recently, officials did not consider the prospect that a Sisal mining can serve as an economic empowerment. Opportunity for women.

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Vidette Bester: Gender disaggregated data is needed in artisanal and small-scale mining. This will be critical for a better understanding of women's experiences in the sector, and it will also support the effectiveness of any legislative process.

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Vidette Bester: so gender responsive initiatives will be insufficient without the voices of women themselves. But is needed is is the narratives from a woman to in to to ensure a gender equality in the sector and legalization of artisanal. Small-scale mining with a gender perspective is very much needed, and this will create opportunities to challenge and to shift such norms in a safe to apply by gender stereotypes around women's and main spices, roles, and behaviors. And just to conclude.

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Vidette Bester: he says, we would like for government for for governments to not necessarily legalize, but to give us some sort of right, so that we are able to extract for gold and to go and sell it ourselves. Unfortunately, now, it is hard for us to go and sell it ourselves because of all the challenges we have. When we have to go and sell it.

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Vidette Bester: we get to rest. It. It gets slipened from us. But if these doors put to open for us to sell it ourselves, it would be Beta we there might a Beta living, and Beta living doing this than working in people's houses. And it is. It also decreases crime because the state of people going ceiling in the houses that I can go and deep for gold.

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Vidette Bester: So I just want to thank the station's shape, Fisa Fritz, the Research Committee, Clinical Sociology, and spring in Nicha, my publisher.

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thank you for that. I appreciate it.

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But can you answer a question? I don't know if you've discussed or know about the history of the word artisanal. You know it's interesting, because I I wonder we're doing this in English, what the word is in other language. and whether it's a nice word. So a lot of times when we have an activity that's illegal, or that somebody thinks someone shouldn't be doing the word, and it makes it sound bad.

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In this case it's such a lovely word. Do you know something about its history

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Vidette Bester: to be a very honest? I haven't actually looked at that. But if that is a very interesting remark, and they would be something that I will be putting into my first chapter, because, like, I say, the words that we create and the livest we put on people and things also shape our understanding, and how we view them, and in the Int. How we treat them.

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So, I will definitely start looking into the history of the words artisanal, and to see where it comes from and the meaning in different languages. Thank you. I look forward to that, and I also wonder if you would give some advice when you started this project. You were living in South Africa, and you got very lucky and got this other position in another country. What's your advice for somebody who's working on a book project but has to change location

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Vidette Bester: because we're very honest. I can very close because of the matter of relocation and the and to email, right? at one stage, I did consider you to the the project, and I think the only thing that pulled me through was to go back to the passion that you have, because at the end of the day. You don't start writing a book because you don't have a fashion

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Vidette Bester: erez agmoni. And even if your circumstances or your external your external contexts challenges your internal landscape sizes time and just to go and find that internal passion again and keep on returning to it, and just keep on writing, I guess 101.

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Thank you. We are now open for questions for either Vadet or any of our other presenters. Does anyone have a question or a comment you'd like to make.

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I have a question for we did. Why don't you have Zamasama in the title

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of the book?

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Vidette Bester: That that is a very good point you know. I think maybe I will ask to bring it to my side. So I think that is something that I will deeply consider.

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Thank you. Anyone else questions, comments

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unlike other audiences, they are actually listening to what everyone said. So I've watched a whole day of people on their computers and on their telephones. So thank you for your attention. Anyone question or comment

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ethics. But so

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I think it's really interesting. The idea for institutional review. I think it's really interesting the idea for Institutional review boards to look at precedent.

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I sit on the Institutional Review Board for our University, and one of the thing that's challenging is that we have to rotate as board members. And so the board members that are there are typically individuals that are required to serve 2 year terms, and they might be able to renew But typically, after 2 years their spot opens up and a new person comes on. So you might not know the institutional history of how they've held different cases, and in our case we are not given broad access to look up

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other cases or look into that precedent. So there would have to be like a system and infrastructure behind that to be able to do that. So I think it's an interesting thing, but I know at our university you wouldn't have the infrastructure to do it.

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Speaking for Harry. Thank you very much for your comment, and I agree totally. It would be very difficult for somebody. This is like what law firms do, and they have a bunch of people who are hired at very low prices, who, you know, collect the information to look at precedence. It's very difficult to be able to do that. That's absolutely true. Where is your university? What country that's in the United States and North Carolina?

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Thank you. But that's also interesting. About two-year terms. Anybody else have something to say about institutional review boards.

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Do you have them in your country or no?

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Yes.

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So

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oh, we have them in Australia. Yeah. but they're they're term differently, depending on what university you are at. Sometimes they're not called Irb's, but they the Ethics Committee, basically. And and they do change. I know somebody who was on the committee. as a Phd student. Actually, they had a representative

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but yeah, and sometimes different universities here in Australia have

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a low.

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a low Risk Committee, and then a high risk committee.

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And do some people, are they able to avoid the Irs?

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Not if you're doing human research.

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anyone else. And I'll say, even in the United States

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we don't avoid the Rb, we submit an exemption request, and the Irb has to determine that you're exempt. So no one that's doing human subjects research is ever supposed to not submit an Iv application. It's just that it might go quicker

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on my university. You can sort of avoid it, except if you have a student of doctoral student, you have to have gone through the process of the lectures and the rest of it to sign off to be a mentor of a student

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in South Africa. We all have to submit every single proposal of

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honors, masters, and doctoral students to the Atheist Research Committee Research Ethics Committee

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for approval. Otherwise. So if the if they're going anyway close to a human being regardless of what they talking to them about, they have to go through that proposal.

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The only time you can get away is if they do a purely documentary study.

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I also work in South Africa, and I admire that the bureaucratic level that I used to complain about in the United States. I had seen nothing like it until I got to South Africa. So Watch what country you choose. Would you like to say something because you've each given presentations

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on either a your step or something else's.

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No. yeah, yeah.

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Online. I don't think anybody was online, but it is being recorded. So I was just curious in terms of when you're writing your book, and you've gotten the proposals. And let's say you what you have 12 chapters I don't know. And you got

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30 submissions. How do you go about making your choices? And in what order to you make the

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through narrative.

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So for your first question about how you sort through the submissions. I mean, it was just a collaborative process with my co-editor.

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It was quite obvious which submissions were appropriate for the book, because some were deserving a little closer time, some were just completely unrelated to the topic of applied sociology.

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So we we were able to narrow it down quite easily

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and in terms of the the order of the chapters.

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We we didn't decide that till the very end, when we had the final chapters, and we were writing the introduction, and we could kind of see how the narrative would flow best

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because we we actually had a completely different structure that was planned. We were going to do it sort of doing like a theoret or then a case study type breakdown for the book. But it just didn't

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fit well with what? What we had, because, of course, sometimes people say they're going to write something, and then what they write is a little bit different. It's not worse, but it's different.

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So we just

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reorganized it a bit, and I think it. It flows really nicely in the end the way we've got it. We've got a good mix of really established people and kind of early career researchers, men and women. And

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yeah, I was very happy with how it turned out. Thank you.

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I probably can just also respond to that, too. in in my case. Because I was it just the 2 of us that wrote the paper, but we had, because we didn't know that for every chapter that how spring. And as it is that you have the also the e-book and the e-book requires that for every chapter for it to be somewhat about the same

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length, and then you have a little abstract for each, so that then, you know, you have that

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a big thing, so that then people would be able to also purchase it by the chapters too. So that is something that we didn't know until the end. And then so we have to sort of like, go back and, like, you know, try to work it out. so So in terms of chapter, that is something that we sort of learn. And I thought, that's a an interesting thing for them to also do, because now people could actually purchase it by the chapter suite, which also makes sense.

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Yeah.

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Hi, so I'd like to add something here, not specifically from this. Bring up perspective.

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generally from the writing perspective, though I've not written a book myself, but I've guided many, many authors through the writing process.

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And yeah, there are different challenges when you're doing authored books. These are the edited books.

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When you're doing authored books. Of course, the challenge is to set timelines, and so on, and look at where to edit yourself, and kind of keep to

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limits, where to expand, where to to lead. So it's mainly you're dealing with yourself

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when it comes to edited volumes. It depends on how the edited volume comes about. So if it comes about through panels in conferences such as these.

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then you do have some of the challenges, as in a lot of maybe submissions that are

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indirectly related or direct, and you have to look at this and then figure out, how do I now write down to the specific topic?

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So then, it's up to you as an editor to look at the specific topic and subtopic the aims and scope of the book as such, and then see what would fit. And then there might be topics that have not been presented in the conference at all. So you'd like to approach others to fit in that. So the end product shouldn't be that you know it was presented at a conference. The volume needs to stand on its own

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and in the, you know, amongst other books. So you need to when you, when you're putting up an edited volume together out of conferences such as these. The idea is that you look at

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what you want to achieve through that book, and what the quality of the papers you've got which fits within that scope, and what extra you need

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to to add.

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so yeah, so basically, that's it. And if it's not an edited volume out of a conference.

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then you kind of do a call for proposals. The idea is that you set some sort of a guideline to your authors. Ideally, I think it always helps. If you do an online workshop or in present workshop, if it's possible, and and have a collaborative discussion with people that you've kind of limited, de-limited to to be part of your book that always helps.

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Thank you. Going back to my role as Harry. I'm so glad you raised this topic. I had the same problem with the first chapter. I felt it was short, succinct, and covered everything that need be, and Jan just kept getting after me, saying that the chapter had to be a reasonable length in comparison to the others, because Springer sells chapters, and you can't have something that's just very short there for

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the first one. So it was a lesson. But I learned, and I did that

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also to tell you about the word count. It's not like we don't really ask people to stick to specific word counts, but just from the readability perspective, it kind of helps to have not have very uneven chapters like you shouldn't have a chapter which is 20,000 words, and another chapter, which is 5,000 words. It's it's

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it's a bit uneven to read. So we do prescribe that, especially when you're doing edited books that you give some sort of word count guidelines to people.

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and and then they can write accordingly, and also an idea of the structure. How you'd like them to structure. If you have any idea about that, when you're writing an authored volume, there can be. Why, there can be variations in the chapter, Lem, depending on how you're presenting things. I mean, an epilogue cannot be expected to be the same length as a main chapter that's understandable.

420
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and nobody buys the epilogue. I want to thank you. Is there any other comment that somebody wants to make her question?

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Thank you for all the information you are giving for us about Springer? And one question, I am from Brazil.

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so you have. Books

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in Portuguese 2, or some project for that.

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Sorry, and

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it yes, hi! So we don't directly publish in Portuguese, but we do sell a lot of Portuguese language rights.

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we've

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a lot of our books kind of get sold in Spanish and Portuguese, and they sell

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both in Europe and these languages and in in Latin America. And don't listen to this. What I answer. There's a publisher now open access in Brazil that has a Clinical Sociology series that's in Portuguese. The first book will be out in September. You did not hear of this for me. It doesn't. It doesn't affect us as long as I mean when they're doing it in Portuguese for our books. As long as they buy the rights from us.

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It doesn't matter if they publish it in open access. And Portuguese, that's good to know. Thank you.

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Okay, anyone else. Yes.

431
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Okay. So. I've been writing articles and chapters, and I'm still at that space where I'm not sure if I want to write a book. what? Yeah, it's probably on your website. I haven't looked at it. So forgive me if I'm asking questions. That's already there.

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in terms of structure, when you're doing a proposal.

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do you? Do you need like in an edited volume? Do you need to already know the themes?

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And okay, yeah, actually, in the work you really have to. Everything is pretty much set by the time you turn the proposal in, and, in fact, you would be listing what the chapters are who's writing it, and a very short couple of sentences about what would be in each chapter. So it's much further along than just talking about an idea. You. You are giving the complete arrangement.

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Now, that doesn't mean that. That's actually what will happen. You know, it's usually a book. It takes a year and a year and a half you can have an author who's not getting back to you. You can have something that you found really needs to be in there. So it's not unusual that somebody drops a chapter or adds a couple of chapters, you know, but the proposal, when it goes through has to be pretty set.

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So so the call needs to be out.

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The call needs to be out, and you get your sort of chapters before you put the proposal.

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the call and and the finalization of chapters needs to be done before you submit the so basically, if you have a book idea, I would suggest you write to Jan, and then she can give you advice early on, on what you need to do

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in terms of just thinking. So writing with a concept note initially helps.

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And then, if based on her suggestions, you can do a call We've been asked at some point that we need a sort of expression of interest, a letter of interest from the publisher.

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and that we can provide early on saying that we are interested in this topic. Not that we are offering an agreement, but that we are asking for a detailed proposal, and so on. So if that helps you get authors on board, we are willing to provide that letter of interest.

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Yeah, that's one of the first things I asked somebody when they asked me to write a chapter. Is this under contract. Who's an under contract to? What's the timeline? So in some cases people don't know to ask that and you could find yourself in a situation where somebody. It had an idea to have a book, but has no arrangement to do it so. And I wanted you to let you know that we've never had any problem with any proposal

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that we've had in this series going through because of the system we have in place. I try to do all of the stuff up front, so that when it's sent to Shinjini it's in good shape, and we are going to have problems.

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but like, I say there can be chapters that are dropped, added, changed? Because of the timeline And and is that answer your questions or anything else? Yes, it does. Thank you. No. My email address is just my name, Jan. J. A. N. Fritz, F. R. I. T. Z. At Uc. For University of Cincinnati, Edu for education.

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You. You can memorize that without any problem. So please just write to me if you have any questions. I'm happy to talk with you about the development of a book for the series.

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Anyone else question comment.

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It's a very short one. What are the benefits of publishing the book with Springer? Yeah. Benefits for publishing with Springer. I'm moving backwards

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Well,

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academic benefits visibility, because we are selling everywhere. We make sure that you don't get lost

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in one part of the world. Your book will definitely be read.

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Even if you're publishing in Brazil, it'll be read in Australia so that we can guarantee.

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And again, if you're traveling to conferences, and so on, because we are traveling to conferences worldwide.

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you'll find us in conferences everywhere.

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01:44:31.890 --> 01:44:46.199
So in terms of international visibility. Also we keep displaying books wherever we go. Even when we are not there we can send you copies so that you can promote the books where you want to

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01:44:46.430 --> 01:45:01.510
in terms of global visibility. I talked a bit earlier about how we work on search engine optimization. So your book will be seen when you're with us. It's also on all international retail book retail platforms.

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So

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online, it's available via Barnes, noble Amazon and all locally, most local platforms as well.

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in terms of, because of all of this. you can also, see the kind of usage the book has live on the homepage of the book. So we have the statistics listed. It's you know what kind of citations you had, where the book has been cited.

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and how many downloads the book has had. you'll get to see that live.

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so that, I think is very useful, plus our aim with all our book series is that eventually to get them indexed in Scopeus.

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With this series also, we are trying. We need 3 years of regular publication for us to be able to put this in scope us, and once this book is indexed, it again serves another academic benefit for authors who need that for

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various purposes. Yes, Brazil does care about a list of publishers and publications where you can publish. It's the same in South Africa. We have many people contact us about the journal, and they say, has it gone through the they call it an accreditation process, and is it on the list? Because they don't get credit if it's not on the list?

463
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So this is another advantage of working with Springer and one other is that they have many arrangements with universities or groups of universities to provide the books as part of an an arrangement between the universities.

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So yeah, so I mean, it basically goes through a packages, e-book packages. And it's they're in collections everywhere. But also because we are now doing increasingly more and more translations in.

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you know, outside of English, we are selling a lot of license rights the past 5 years. They just gone up a lot so particularly. Portuguese and Spanish are 2 very, very popular

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translated topics. So specifically, if you've published a book with us, and you want a Portuguese edition of it, then the process would be, you get in touch with the Portuguese publisher, and you tell us this, this. This, this publisher is interested.

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and then our license person gets in touch and sells the right. And it's usually very reasonable. We haven't come into a situation where somebody said, Oh, it's too costly. We can't afford these rights. So we are eager to sell the rights as well, because we want the books to be read.

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Yeah. a book. A book is usually not bilingual. But another thing that we have started is that what we see is that a lot of people have done very good research, but they're not native English speakers, and that's a major barrier. And we are doing a lot of experimentation with AI.

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We do a lot of machine translation

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and

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in the past one year, I would say, I mean, we've made like huge leaps in the quality of machine translation that we do. So. We've actually received a lot of manuscripts now, and working on manuscripts in both Spanish and Italian.

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which We are machine translating, and then the authors will further revise and proofread, and then we'll publish them in English. So it makes it much easier for authors whose native language language is not English.

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to publish very good research in English. Would you say something about the cost, and who pays that cost no cost. We are good friends now. one of the last books I did. Someone from South America needed a translation. He'd hired 3 different translators, and the quality just wasn't good enough, and I ended up having to go sentence by sentence. So you meant this to be able to be able to make it work? That's terrific. Right? So I mean, this was with machine translation, even like 3 years back, it wasn't the same quality. But

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with AI having, like jumped in various ways out, we see a huge difference, and the authors are them since amazed when they see the quality of translation. But it doesn't mean that they would not have to still engage a native language editor to

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proof. Read. It's not the same cost as a translation cost, though. Yeah. So you want it at a certain level before you get it. So you're doing the final exactly. Okay?

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And

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so usually, we would ask the authors to get it done because they need to do it in close collaboration. It just doesn't. When we do it. We have done it.

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but it's usually an English literature person who will do it, and

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it's not the same as working, you know, closely with the

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proofreader, but it's not the same cost as you would have if you were to get a translator. It's a very different thing.

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So you would be working at an editorial editing level and not a translating level. And I think that's very important for somebody that's thinking of doing an edited volume because you can have somebody saying they're going to do this in English, and then you find you've really got a big problem there, because it's not close enough

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and they haven't thought through. And it's also working with your universities. If you have a translation possibility at your university, and the importance of doing that, I've just been working with a university in Brazil, and it's one of my points in talking with them. You want to internationalize. It doesn't have to be English, but it may need to be something other than the language that you usually use in your home country.

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01:50:47.970 --> 01:50:50.330
and this is possible with chapters.

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So if you have chapter authors who are very good, but they're not writing in English, then it's possible to translate one particular chapter or a couple of chapters and include that.

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The only thing is that the citations would have to be from in the English books. They can't be because the citations can't be. you know the Spanish or Portuguese, or whatever language citations in the end. When you're publishing a book in English, it's for readers to be to access the citations

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in English.

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So that's something that you need to take. Can you usually use the other language? And then in parentheses, say what it is in English, is that not possible? No, no. So if if there's an English language book, available or original citations, original texts available.

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which talk to the you know, which have the same kind of reference. We would prefer that you use the English language, but that's a preference, and if it is in the other language and you're translating it, you can do that right. You can do it. But in in I mean, if you're citing it.

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then that citation is kind of lost on the English language, reader, because they really can't access that citation. So well, actually, with Google, translate these days, you can exit. The quality may not be good enough, and I'm telling you, if I have a French person standing here. They would not like this answer, you know, right? Right? So I mean, what I'm saying is very time bound. I'm not sure whether it'll stand a year down the line. Yeah.

490
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with AI having improved even more. I don't know if it'll stand, but so far that's what we would like that the citations are from English books. Okay, thank you. Anyone else.

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Well, then, and I think this is our last session. So I want to thank the presenters really very helpful. Thank you very much.

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And the audience, you are very nice. Thank you very much. What's your

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so that lovely evening? Bye, bye.