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Grzegorz Gawron: So I should stop. Okay. thank you very much. that you decided to join our session. Our session is about aging by design, but we also wanted to think about not only and the process of aging, but lots of many interventions and and services

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which are dedicated to especially, of course, all their people. But using design tools. And we are really glad that you come with us, even that we are only online. I I unfortunately, but the Powerl or a problem with with with with, with colleague with Leticia are on the side. So

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Paulina Rojek-Adamek: I think that we start from your presentation, and the first presentation is as I said, Leticia and Paula from very Aldo University.

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Paulina Rojek-Adamek: Yeah, okay, thank you. They're all of our own policies. Counter international loneliness of all their Ct, yes, please, Paulo.

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Okay, thank you very much. I'm sorry for my English. I don't speak English very well, and but I read my presentation

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Leticia. He's not in Melbourne is in Italy for her work problems. Okay.

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the COVID-19. Pandemic has brought attention to the impact of a relation, poverty on the lives of Other orals, and their overall quality of life.

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the measures taken to protect to older individuals from the risk of infection, such as staying at home.

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have, and intentionally increased their sense of lonely and loneliness, and the solitude

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which public space and community interactions and the previously help and alleviate

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the pandemic has highlighted the importance of addressing the lack of social connections and the housing relating challenges that all the orders face

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this critical moment has provided an opportunity to develop a project focuses on individual individuals over 65,

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aiming to enhance their well-being by empowering them, and as active participants greater than passive recipients of interventions.

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One such project is a condiviano in a barri in Italy which promotes co-housing and has a means to come back to economic instability and relational poverty. Among all the odds.

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The project involves collaboration between public institutions, private social cooperatives, and the university

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which the goal of creating a replicable model for other agents.

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Condiv Yama adopts a bottom-up approach. that involves older older adults in the decision making processes

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and the implementation of social interventions

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rather than imposing a top-down approach. The the project focuses on co-building interventions that bridge the gap between the project's potential and its practical implementation.

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Cohousing a concept of well established in a Europe, but still relatively now in Italy, serves as the central element of the project

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initially targeting a small group of approximately 10. All the orders in by the project aims to develop a model that can replicated in another city within the Napoleon region and nationwide

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by activating a multi-faced network and a foster in continuous interaction with the community. The project aims to achieve a several objectives.

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including reducing the risk of the institutionalization, alleviating loneliness and social abandonment overcoming such economic hardship and improving overall quality of life.

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The project's outcomes will be carefully analyzed and will inform future guidelines for public social policies.

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The project

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acknowledged the influence of territorial and the cultural specificities and the perceptions and experience of older adults.

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While European designs have provided a constant reference during the planning phase.

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the project emphasize the the need to adapt and account of our local top context. The COVID-19 pandemic, particularly during the initial phase.

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I like the outer absence of R and of the city affected all the adults differently based

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on their individual resources. The interviews conduced

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revealed that the that the relational poverty poses a significant existential treat to all the old woods

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impacting the psycho, emotional well-being and the physical health.

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the elderly population presents a significant economic, social, and political challenges

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which society and cities must address more urgently.

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Italy, like many other countries, is experiencing a demographic shift towards an aging population. The average age, as a steadily increased from 41.9 years in the 2,002 to the 45.7 years in 2,020, with reactions indicating a further rise.

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Factors, such as declining declining a birth rate, is an and increased life. Expectancy contributed to this trend.

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The aging phenomenon is a transversal across the county with more cognitive effects observed in Southern agents. This change not only affected the quantity, but also the quality of life of older adults.

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The transformation and social representations of all the age has led to a more nuanced the understanding of aging as a process characterized by various life stages

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and individual experiences.

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The elderly population is not homogeneous, but a comprise. Different courts with distinct lifestyles, needs, desires, and projects.

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While aging is a generally associated which deteriorating health, the such economic and cultural conditions play a crucial role in shaping the outcomes.

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Individual factors such as a health autonomy, economic and cultural capital

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as well as the quality of social networks intersect with contextual factors, such as the quality of public spaces.

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safety, accessibility, grain spaces.

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the availability of social services and support networks.

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These factors Collectively determine the experience of all the orders in their ability to adj. Well.

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relational poverty refers to the lack of or meaningful social connections, and the relationship that provide individuals with the emotional support, a sense of belonging and opportunities for engagement and participation.

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It is a multi-dimensional concept that encompasses social isolation, loneliness and the lack of social integration.

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Relational poverty can have detrimental effects on the physical and mental health of older adults.

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Landing to increase the risk of depression, cognitive decline, and the other age-related, altered issues.

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The COVID-19. Pandemic has further accessibility. Relational poverty among older adults.

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The necessary measures of physical distancing and lockdowns have resulted in a reduced social interactions.

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limited access to community spaces, and increase the feelings of loneliness and isolation. All the hurdles, particularly to the with the limited mobility

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or her existing health conditions have been disproportionately affected by these restrictions.

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The pandemic has underscored the urgent needs to address the issue of relational poverty among older adults and develop innovative. So so a solution to promote social inclusion and well-being.

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Cohousing is implemented as implemented in the Cond Divideama Project

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offers a promising solution to others. Relational poverty and housing related challenges. Among older orders.

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Housing involves creating intentional communities where individuals or feminism live independently in private.

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do things while sharing common space and resource.

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These models promotes social connections, moodle supporter, and a sense of belonging among the residents

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in the context of older adults. Clousing provides an opportunity to combat relational poverty by creating a supportive and inclusive living environment.

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Older adults, living in housing arrangements can benefit from increased social interactions.

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companionship and shared activities.

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They can also support on each order in navigating challenges related to aging, such as accessing health care, transportation and social services.

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housing encourages activity, aging, and empowers all the adults as active participants in their community.

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The conditional project in Bari recognized to the potential of coousing to others the challenges faced by all the orders. The project involves collaboration between public institutions, private social cooperatives, and the University to develop a replicable model for coousing in the Napoleon region and in Italy

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the project adopt a button-up approach that actively involves all the arguments in the decision-making process

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their input to enact, and the experiences are considerating the in the design and implementation of social interventions by actively engaging all the rodals, the projects I am to beige the gap between theoretical potential and the particle implementation.

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The initially, the the initial phase of the project focuses on on a small group of old. All the all the olds embarrassed

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thought to co-design workshops and participate in the past participatory processes. The project aims to develop a cousing model

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that is a tailor head to the needs and preferences of the residents.

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The project also aims to establish a multi-faced network involving local stakeholder community organizations and services and and service provides to support the well-being and social integration of older adults.

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The outcomes of the continuity of project will be carefully evaluated, the end analyzer analyzed them. the lessons learned and the best practice in, and even if I there will inform a future guideline for public social qualities.

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it d related to coousing and well-being, for of other older olds.

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the COVID-19 pandemic, I as a as I, glide the importance of addressing relational poverty among all the awards and developing a innovative solution to promote social inclusion, and well being

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the conditional project, utilize it, utilized co-ouching as a means to combat the economic instability and relation to a relationship poverty among all the others.

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By actively involving all the adults in the decision, making process and fostering a supportive living environment, the project aims to enhance the quality of life and the well-being of all the models. While providing a valuable insight for future social policies.

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Condiviometer for propose a housing solution that can achieve in a systemic case the objectives of of protection older people from economic hardship and counting in relation poverty, a relational poverty.

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It fits the tools in the macro objective of the full implementation of the right to the city, that for elderly people takes the form of the right to the, to an inclusive habitat to a quality private and public Space straits, squares, gardens.

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entire age of friendly

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neighborhoods redesigned the for from a social, architectural, and the urban point of view to ensure elderly subjects the possibility of an active aging in place. Thank you.

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Paulina Rojek-Adamek: Thank you very much, Paula. You are on time, as we could imagine. The best speaker. you've got one minutes left, but it's a great great suitable to your presentation. thank you very much. And the next presentation is and Jay Kim Chou from Economic University in Warsaw.

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Paulina Rojek-Adamek: I think that our discussion will leave after each presentation, I think, is the best, the the best way to here, first of all, on the presentation, and at the end as we have lots of time, I think start the discussion.

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Paulina Rojek-Adamek: Andrew, design and call design in the concept of policy of building a future society for all ages, and they please.

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Paulina Rojek-Adamek: I I I hope it's visible, because I always, you know, fight with Zoom a little bit.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: it's it's it's working. Okay, because yeah, there is a lot of options here.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: actually, it's not a university economic university, but the worst of all of economics. It's a little bit different name. But that's that's to be correct. and we will present a little bit on our design and code design

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Andrzej Klimczuk: in the concept and policing on building a future society for all address. but I have to underline that in my understanding I will not focus

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Andrzej Klimczuk: design. Like I, you know, hard core, let's say, understanding of design as industrial design or interior design, but rather on a design as

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Andrzej Klimczuk: planning or describing or creating the themes.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: or, you know, patterns that can be replicated in some places where you can basically copy paste the ideas or

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Andrzej Klimczuk: projects or programs. So it's a less, let's say. narrow view.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: So the plan of the presentation is that first I will tell you a little bit on the let's say, tooretical aspects of

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Andrzej Klimczuk: of this understanding.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: and later on we will go with. let's say, analyzes of 2 different let's say, sets of one from the side of the European Commission and later

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Andrzej Klimczuk: from, let's say, much more bottom up perspective of the cost action

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Andrzej Klimczuk: net 4, 8 friendly.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: which is, by the way, as you can see on the screen.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: basically.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: the sponsor of this presentation and the project that I will focus most on actually.

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Andrzej Klimczuk:  So let's start with the theoretical assumption. So

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Andrzej Klimczuk: 20 years ago, in 2,002. Actually, the United Nations. let's say, approved

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Andrzej Klimczuk: the International plan on aging action plan on aging which contains

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Andrzej Klimczuk: the idea of building a society for all ages, which.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: of course, for for the CEO of this sounds a little bit, let's say Utopian, because, that's say, society that can be created, maybe.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: or it's like a goal that can be achieved. Or or maybe it cannot be at all. Because it's like. you know, it's like a value that we can, you know, try to achieve. But actually.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: maybe it's, you know, 2 futuristic to be created at all. But anyway, this idea was developed actually, in 1990. S, let's say

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Andrzej Klimczuk: And there was 3 priorities.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: that focus on a suffering investment. And actually, the suffering investment perspective started to be, let's say, much more popular.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: Only after 2,007, 2,008 after the economic crisis with the financial crisis, actually.

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Andrzej Klimczuk:  but earlier, actually, the suffering investment was not that, let's say, popular, but actually, in this approach, it was already happening.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: And in this view. basically, the focus is on investing into 4 types of

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Andrzej Klimczuk: capital that the human can precise the human capital software and cultural capital environmental computer and economic capital, and those investigations can be reinvested

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Andrzej Klimczuk: by the people, and generations of the people are crawling

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Andrzej Klimczuk: either on a let's say old age, whole life, cycle, or life course. If someone like

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Andrzej Klimczuk: families and communities, institutions, etc., to generate this capital again and again. So it looks like a circle. Our economy of some kind, which is also a. let's say term, that is currently quite often used.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: And in this perspective, actually, I have to underline that basically like, last year, a year ago. We have like this 20, only we're sorry, and somehow

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Andrzej Klimczuk:  there is not that many evaluations. you know, coming back to the idea? Does it work or not? Actually this whole model

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Andrzej Klimczuk: and making it to it more practical view. Actually.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: there is also a theme how we can put this idea into programming of

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Andrzej Klimczuk: different public policies.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: so we can divide them into 3. Let's say, categories of the let's say, policies focus on a place of life. life cycle, or the life projects large design actually, of the life.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: So depending on the category, let's say, we are focusing on designing something different, like environment policy or the health policy. And in the project that I want to present you in a really pretty brief way. Actually, we are mostly focusing on a.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: let's say, like a mix of housing policy, transportation policy and environment policy. Actually. we've creating the smart, healthy environment.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: which is, let's say. more recent. I would say, version of the 8 friendly citizen communities.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: you know, the original idea was created by the World Health Organization 2,007. It was updated in 2,000

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Andrzej Klimczuk: we to see on this slide. Actually, with this flower, let's say. And in this recent, what's the approach that we use in we add the additional layer of it. See the information and communication technologies.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: big data. artificial intelligence and internet of things and similar, let's say E held stuff. and to basically approach

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Andrzej Klimczuk: all those dimensions of the 8 friendly environments

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Andrzej Klimczuk: to approach, to achieve the 2 goals of sustainable development goes through United Nations, one on Mo. More, focused on the healthy, let's say, aspect of life, and the second on cities and housing, let's say.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: and bulletin for silence in this way. Basically, the society for all ages actually is like this goal that can be achieved

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Andrzej Klimczuk: by focus on, let's say, modernization or making them. Let's say, our environments and housing mostly

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Andrzej Klimczuk: use this like a software investment approach plus the Co designing approach. I will not go into details on that, because you can anyway find it in a retro. So of course, the code design is like a first state where we basically can get the ideas.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: for example, which was actually presented in a previous presentation with the Co. Housing, for example, as a suffering innovations.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: and the first E, let's say, type of the initiative that I wanted to show actually, are the top down. let's say a pro. Use it by the European Commission

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Andrzej Klimczuk: to the Intern general, you know, programming the first on the left that, you see, it was basically the set of code. Let's say, European innovation partnership on Active and her the aging started in 2,011

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Andrzej Klimczuk: and end it up in 2,000 20.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: I will not go into details how it works in in, let's say

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Andrzej Klimczuk: details. But basically there was like

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Andrzej Klimczuk: 3,500 partners from whole Europe. collaborating on exchange of practices and innovations. Also one of the part of it was

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Andrzej Klimczuk: focused on 8 friendly cities, communities and environments.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: And the recent version of it is

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Andrzej Klimczuk: part of the platform of European Commission called active and healthy living in digital world. And one of the subgroups of it

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Andrzej Klimczuk: is basically focused on 8 friendly environments.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: And unfortunately, it's not supported that much. We've financing any longer, and meetings and governments, etc., But there is also a second in the at the for European Commission that started 2 years ago, which is called the New European Bauhaus.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: and this one is actually supported with funding for the projects

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Andrzej Klimczuk: in competitory way, in

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Andrzej Klimczuk: a few programs in horizon Europe, in European Original fund and live program focused on rural regions. Mostly. So basically, it's like a

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Andrzej Klimczuk: a little bit higher than the way of investing

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Andrzej Klimczuk: into 8 friendly environments and actually

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Andrzej Klimczuk: implementing the this whole shuffle concept. But in, let's say less disabled way, because it's hiding there.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: I will not go into details on that. But like a last part of the aap on this partnership on the European the first partnership

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Andrzej Klimczuk: still exist. The reference sites, networks still exist in Europe

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Andrzej Klimczuk: also, for example, the Italian Spain is quite cities from there they are quite active, actually. But the second example is actually the the cost action

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Andrzej Klimczuk: on the software. we started in 2,019. And it's actually start that as a continuation of the Api, and as a

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Andrzej Klimczuk: because of the coordination, let's say. And so we basically got some ideas. We first started this as a thematic network

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Andrzej Klimczuk: run close to, let's say European commission. But it was like a consultatory body.

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: No, thank you very much. and thank you very much for it.

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: accepting the abstract. And for the presentation, I do hold it. you can see my screen that you see my screen now.

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: not the not only my paper, but with free other colleagues co-creation as innovative way to include auto person in age 20, environment.

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: So listening both presentation before me, I just think that it's a very good fit. So I would like to congratulate.

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: and I also will make some a link to what the also Andrew presented.

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: But in fact, thinking about presentation. I I I as we thought that it would be nice to share what we're doing for including older persons in co-creation

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: and innovation with it from the environment. It's a it's a basis. So this is the team. Of course you can see me. So I think differently. I look, but I hope that not very differently. But this is

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: for this concept and However, when you think about that, it could be, find a lot of different papers in a which you use participatory approach or creation

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: and in fact, what for? Our team is somehow interesting, which is in the line? What the Decker for example, suggested that they still increase the need to test new metals and tools for researching and designing such integration that take into account social changes that they cost in a real life situation. So we are in such.

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: So what I would like to sure. in fact, I will show how this innovation it could be in practice.

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: Try to evaluate that solutions. so in the one of the project in which the team we are involved, it was seeking, creating and promoting solutions that can improve

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: the quality of life on residents in one of is is one of the most important task of modern social policy.

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: So we've such a in fact, the idea

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: for the whole approach is to use the Tory of change and criteria for evaluation in so called incubator. But it's that incubator of social inclusion that we should start. And this is a kind of a basic approach from a very good diagnosis with really understanding the needs.

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: And from the 7 on the 2 were selected. The first one is innovation recommended because it was quite Very good. evaluated as a tool, which means missing for for years something that I really would like to use as a valuable tool.

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: it is a kind of the self service kiosk simulator. This is one of the example, but it's much more, including also sending the the the the parcel.

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: And this in this context, You probably are wondering where the older person, but in fact in our case, This approach was that innovate or started with creation and suggest a certain product, and then use older person

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: it's free and free countries, for from Poland and and and in fact, here from the beginning there, we use co-creation sessions. We in 4 cities they have to.

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: as some evaluation could be quite inspiring. first of all. They believe that some actions have been taken to make life better for all their presence, but also working together with other workshop participants. The opportunity to exchange faults and experience.

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: However, it's not only I think, that it's important in this cooperation process, and the scientific approach is included. And it's also intergeneration, like in most younger people. So it's also a kind of the believe that it will allow for far the actions. So here I'm very happy that I could participate in this because of this young people and interested in all the people issues.

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: I think that it's maybe important to know that, in fact. there is some attempt to go further with that approach, to integrate that

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: and to better understand how the system can can work. And this is the example of one of the new project which, is that kind of the basis for creating and connecting stakeholder in free rituals in Catalonia, Hamburg, and in Maua and and hopefully, maybe some recommendations. How organize not only meeting labs as a basis, but also for creation.

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: is a chance to to that it will be obtained. So this is the link at the end of the slide. I would like to thank you for your advantage.

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Grzegorz Gawron: Is your Lanta? Thank you very much. It's it was another very interesting presentation, I think that each of them shows that it is very important to focus on the the other people as they are still a and a part of of of of of society, and they still have a very

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Paulina Rojek-Adamek: Such conception of inclusive design? Because you are talking about inclusive design? I think all of you can defeat with conception of

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Paulina Rojek-Adamek: design for all conception, universal design, I mean, to design, not only for the special group.

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Paulina Rojek-Adamek: the all their group, but only thinking it's it's the kind of our consciousness about thinking of other beneficiaries of of other stakeholders. other benefits for other group, not only older groups. So I mean, this, the example that you show us a yoga this machine for all people.

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Paulina Rojek-Adamek: It can be designed in this way to fit well to other

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Paulina Rojek-Adamek: the other group which can be and excluded from our society. Yeah.

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: it's true. And I, we like your questions, because, in fact, we have last Wednesday kind of the final meeting with all these innovations. And we were discussing. And

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: the issue is that they were a target. As for a certain group, because we also have other groups. as a social inclusion, there was children or

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: presses with disabilities, and so on. and, in fact, in case of some. a

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: innovations for children, I already mentioned that they could be and also use for others, and that's the same for these innovations. in fact. I even was critical to say that they are target only for one group.

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: But in this case it's it's showing how we are biased because of Ig, because they only tested with a certain group of older person.

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: But in fact, the product itself is already for everyone who, for example, does not know how to send the

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: the the package. maybe one of the system mail system. we have one of the system, and in fact, it is a kind of simulator

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: that if you don't want to, if you don't want to go in a practice and be stress how you will make it. You can just make this simulation. So this is, I showed just 1 one example. But in practices for everyone, even I think it for children to know how to how to behave in the everyday life

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: artificial credit card or something like that. So I really like your questions, because also for this. it's the name of this board.

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: I also said that of course this is for presence with somehow. unfortunately.

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: using the cognitive functions and the dementia. But As some of this exercises on on this board could be a completely differently

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: planned and designed even in one of the tes there was

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: like Polish kings somehow, for that kind of repeat. So that's a lot of innovation which could be adjusted. So if I, this is also a recommendation that this innovation should be already

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: thought that they maybe could be also use, or if it's possible they should be used for other. But of course, I I also think that in certain innovation it would not be so easy and

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: and possible. But even, for example, in health as it was mentioned, sorry that I'm saying that. But, for example, for the people with risk of diabetes.

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Paulina Rojek-Adamek: that's also good to be a cheetah, and also all your

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: in the past applications link to control

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: of health somehow adjust to to the certain situation. But of course it's much more complex. And that's why we need this creation

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: and monitoring the the process. to to be sure that this information are really innovations, because many, often people think that they are they. They are in your patients, but in fact, they are not really innovation. So

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: it's also a kind of, as you saw from 240. There was only 60, and

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: some of them only to be further disseminate.

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Paulina Rojek-Adamek: Thank you very much, because I was wondering when you are talking about your examples. And now I I can see the other possibilities. And so I think that at the end Andre, it's probably the most interested to maybe not to only answer. But I think you you represent the economic school. So at the end we reduce the cost of such implementation, because.

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Paulina Rojek-Adamek: there is not only one for one group, this design process, but also we incorporated others users in this kind of resolution. So I think that the economy is also important is in in this kind of intervention, invention, innovation, etc.

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Paulina Rojek-Adamek: Thank you.

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Paulina Rojek-Adamek: As a No. One has a question for our present. This

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Andrzej Klimczuk: I have a different comment. Actually, you know, we we didn't. you know, direct this this meeting in any way. That's that's a simple coincidence. Actually, I think

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Andrzej Klimczuk: that in both presentations of our sexual.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: actually some partners, maybe in my presentation, are he then? But when I saw the slides, then I was like, Oh, my God, we have same part. So that's the one thing. And the second thing that's also coincidence, the probably coincidence, I think,

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Andrzej Klimczuk: but we have the quadruple helix mentioned it.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: which, you know. Can the

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Andrzej Klimczuk: one of the solutions to you nominate this kind of networks, let's say, on big scale partnerships. But

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Andrzej Klimczuk: you know, there are some more recent frameworks already on systemic change, etc. So

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Andrzej Klimczuk: you know, maybe we are already using outdated stories and frameworks. So that's that's another theme. And what else? And you know the

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Andrzej Klimczuk: I'm I'm I'm in because maybe I didn't underline that. But by by very, very clear way. But the problem is that

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Andrzej Klimczuk: you know there is like thousands and 100,000 and millions actually of

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Andrzej Klimczuk: I say, if you're trying for years now

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Andrzej Klimczuk: to avoid replicating. You know the wheel and creating the wheel again and again and again.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: and unfortunately, I I it's a little bit confidential, so I cannot say a lot of things, but, unfortunately.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: there is no easy solution at the European, at least level. How we can, you know, avoid this, and there is no good solution. How we can

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Andrzej Klimczuk:  coordinate and integrate the solutions that have been found that already in different programs of

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Andrzej Klimczuk: not only European Commission, but it's also different actors. And you know it. It's that that's a little bit

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Andrzej Klimczuk: problematic, because, you know, there is thousands of people in different projects in different countries

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Andrzej Klimczuk: creating the same, nearly the same things over and over in similar ways. you know, either it will be like a service robotics or similar housing solutions.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: and the market solutions. You know they are not selecting the best. you know, solutions. And yeah, that that's

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Andrzej Klimczuk: problem that have to, you know, be tackled by some. Let's say.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: let's say at least European Commission or any other. You know. bodies that have the steering power, you know. As a scientist we don't have this possibility.

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: yo, I have a question. no, it's not a question. I think, that the question about a cost. I have to add, I have to.

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: Somehow it may be important factor in the the case which I showed

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: that are innovation, which are not aiming to have profits. So, in fact, that all of them are from the public funding, or like from the scientific projects, or from the other.

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: And that's why they are not really aiming to to be sold and to gain a lot a lot of profits, because this is also a case which we didn't at this. But it's important, like the social innovation

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: which it's quite important. And I think that aspect of the market in the innovations. And it it. It's a bit different if you know, when, when we think about the co-creation innovations, and it's friendly where we have the business right and doing that for creation and doing it. A lot of meeting labs and just

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: being short at the certain product.

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: we'll have a chance to get profits, and it's a bit different situation when it's. In fact, this is a kind of the social innovation that we agreed that

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: I already did copyright, or somehow share it to Ryan and this is, I think, that, especially for our participants, we are happy that at least a few of you are in the room.

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: That this approach, and especially as it was mentioned the European Union

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: a kind of financing that there's also a boosting not only boosting economy, it's it different thing, but, in fact, in a, as I mentioned improving the quality of line.

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Paulina Rojek-Adamek: So of course. checking which innovation will be the most profitable. It's not an issue here. It's not a commercial. So so my da, because maybe I was not specific enough. But you know,

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Andrzej Klimczuk: you know, the the the issue is with the scaling up of those things, because even you know, if those solutions will be for free in like a but but you know, but basically like the ideas of the for free, you know you can.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: you know, print the whole, you know, even like a role source, for for example, in itc solutions, etc. But the you know the issue, that there are 2 issues that are coming further. With that

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Andrzej Klimczuk: the one is the low. Take up of any other actors of the solutions, and, you know, basically improve them or make

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Andrzej Klimczuk: them a little bit profitable. Because and unfortunately, most of the cases you have to create some business model, you know, to sustain them. Unfortunately, if this will be like, for example, franchising or something like that, that's another story. But you have to, you know, make the money. Even if this is

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Andrzej Klimczuk: so, for entrepreneurship or something you you you need to create some added value, otherwise it will not be sustain it.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: And the second, unfortunately. But there is a lot of studies, mostly focused, unfortunately, on the technology innovations in this field

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Andrzej Klimczuk: on a low user acceptance among the older people.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: But basically, you know, we are creating not much, maybe not we that especially. But you know, the people from the technical field are creating a lot of technical solutions that are basically scaring people off. So they don't want to use them.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: you know, and and like it's, you know, the whole. For example, ambient assisted living program in Europe. I don't even know which you know around is now like 12 or 13 or 14.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: Most of those solutions, you know, they are not even sold on the market, because after the testing, most of them are unfortunately not make it. Basically no one wants to use them to. People are scared of them when they see the service robotics, for example, they are scared.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: So you know, it's a a different level, because then you have to really know what the people really need and what they are able to accept and use.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: But you know the the behaviors of most of us are not changing dramatically, quickly, let's say, or not changing at all, even right? So that's a huge challenge. How we can.

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Paulina Rojek-Adamek: You know, boost people, I'm say it's challenging. But the the of the designers? No, it's very, very well. And the of user experience research is a dedicated for that, to know how the user react, behave, etc. And how to to to speak to him to make these benefits for him, not only for our designers.

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Grzegorz Gawron: you, you actually have some, some new technology, but we have to. We we have to try and and check. If out, if the users are ready for you and and the big challenges to change their mind, yeah, and to open them for using this this technology.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: But you, as you. You both mentioned on a user experience. And you know, changing the mind, let's say, But problem is that all those testing, you know, is extremely expensive on the end. So, unfortunately, you know, from my perspective and what I am doing, unfortunately, but also I cannot go into details. Unfortunately.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: mostly, you know the solutions of the big players in the market like big companies. You know, we not mentioned the names are unfortunately going to the market because they have a lot of money to go to the whole design thinking cycle, not like a half of it, you know. They can not only prototype, but they also can a lot put a lot of money into testing. And most of other entities like the small companies.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: you know, software entrepreneurs, they, you know, go into Id, you know, create the idea prototype this, maybe in, let's say, creating some.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: you know first version. But after that it's it's basically that's it. Because they don't have the money.

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Paulina Rojek-Adamek: You said that it is a design thinking cycle. And in this you you you've got it iterative process so.

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Paulina Rojek-Adamek: But but you know that the last, you know.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: at least, you know, in the first cycle you know the last stages of the most actually demanding, unfortunately, because you have to have something real for the people, and then you have to invest the money to create it. Unfortunately, you know.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: So you know, because on a paper. Everything can work. Actually, you know, when you have the I I don't remember the word in in English for that, you know.

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Andrzej Klimczuk: Extremely prototypes. Let's say

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Paulina Rojek-Adamek: you on a paper? Basically, right? So.

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Paulina Rojek-Adamek: But it should be tasting anyway. Okay, thank you very much. Do you have any questions for our presenters? Maybe someone from the room.

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Paulina Rojek-Adamek: No, I can't. I don't see. So I think that we could finish our meeting. Yeah.

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Grzegorz Gawron: yeah. Of course.

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Paulina Rojek-Adamek: I know that some of our speakers has the next presentation these days. So finger crossed for the next I invite you. I invite you to come. Who session is that. Okay, thank you very much. It was really a great pleasure to meet here online. I hope we meet together on site.

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Grzegorz Gawron: Yeah, once again, it's once it it it it was great. And thank you very much that you apply to ours in the Us. Session. And we do hold that another and another opportunity which we we see we also can can can meet and have such an in in in interesting pages and and discussion about

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Grzegorz Gawron: and up their events.

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Grzegorz Gawron: So you are. We are fee finger crossed of of your your speech on the next next speech. Yeah, and surviving to for a and that's newly like a techno party to be honest or something like that.

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Jolanta Perek-Białas: Thank you very much for organizing this special and good luck, and I do hope that you will not keep up with this sort of topic of procreation innovation. And it, it, it sounds. But somehow, it's developing.

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Paulina Rojek-Adamek: Good night.

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Paulina Rojek-Adamek: Yeah.